November 7, 1945

LIB

Paul Joseph James Martin (Secretary of State of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. MARTIN:

It involves several departments, and it takes some considerable time to get the information. I think it is the most convenient way of dealing with this question.

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MOTIONS FOR PAPERS

C. C. CARDOZA-FOOTWEAR INVESTIGATIONS

CCF

Stanley Howard Knowles (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. KNOWLES:

For a copy of any and all communications between the chief investigator of the Commodity Prices Stabilization Corporation Limited and Mr. C. C. Cardoza, since August 1, 1945, with reference to any investigation of Federal Shoe Manufacturing Company Limited, Gagnon, Lachapelle and Company, Limited, and any other footwear investigations conducted by Mr. Cardoza.

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LIB

James Lorimer Ilsley (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. ILSLEY:

With regard to this motion, I would point out to the house that it calls for the production of reports from an investigator to his superior officer-a chief investigator-and for the same reasons on account of which reports of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police to their superiors, and officials of that character throughout the whole public service, have always been regarded as privileged, I must take the position that these reports are privileged and that it is not in the public interest for them to be produced. It would be impossible to obtain satisfactory reports from officials and investigators in the public service to their superiors if such reports were subject to production in the House of Commons. The reports would speedily lose a very large part of their value. This correspondence is intra-departmental correspondence, is of a confidential character, is privileged, and it is not in the public interest that it be produced. I must therefore say on behalf of the government that we cannot agree to this motion passing.

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CCF

Stanley Howard Knowles (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. KNOWLES:

On the basis of what I firmly believe to be in the public interest, I take . issue with the position stated by the minister. I think these documents should be produced.

Topic:   MOTIONS FOR PAPERS
Subtopic:   C. C. CARDOZA-FOOTWEAR INVESTIGATIONS
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Mr. COLD WELL@

It seems to me that this is establishing-

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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of Veterans Affairs; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE:

On a point of order, this is not debatable.

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CCF

Major James William Coldwell

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. COLDWELL:

All right; then we shall

vote.

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PC

Gordon Graydon

Progressive Conservative

Mr. GRAYDON:

It certainly is not intradepartmental.

Motions jor Papers

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LIB

James Horace King (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER:

: Notices of motions for

production of papers are not debatable. If

the motion is opposed I must put the question.

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CCF

Major James William Coldwell

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. COLDWELL:

All right. Question.

The house divided on the motion (Mr.

Knowles) which was negatived on the fol-

lowing division: YEAS Messrs:

Adamson Jaques

Archibald Johnston

Argue Kidd

Ashby Knight

Aylesworth Knowles

Barrett Kuhl

Bentley Lennard

Black (Cumberland) Low

Black (Yukon) McCuaig

Blackmore McCullough

Blair (Assiniboia)

Boucher Macdonnell

Bowerman (Muskoka-Ontario)

Bradshaw Maelnnis

Bruce McKay

Campbell McMaster

Cardiff MacNicol

Case Marshall

Casselman Matthews

Castleden (Kootenay East)

Charlton Menary

Church Merritt

C-oekeram Moore

Coldwell Murphy

Coyle Pearkes

Daniel Probe

Desmond Quelch

Diefenbaker Robinson (Bruce)

Dorion Rose

Drope Rowe

Fair Senn

Ferguson Smith (Calgary West)

Fleming Stanfield

Fraser Stephenson

Fulton Stewart

Gillis (Winnipeg North)

Graydon Stokes

Green Thatcher

Hackett Townley-Smith

Hansell Tustin

Harkness Webb

Hazen White (Hastings-

Henderson Peterborough)

Herridge White

Hlynka (Middlesex East)

Hodgson Wright

Homuth Wylie

Irvine Jaenicke Zaplitny-91.

NAYS Messrs:

Abbott Huntingdon)

Arsenault Blanchette

Baker Boivin

Beaudoin Bonnier

Beaudry Bourget

Belzile Bradette

Benidickson Breithaupt

Bertrand (Laurier) Bridges

Bertrand (Prescott) Brown

Black (Chateauguay-47696-1211 * Chevrier

Clark MeCubbm

Cleaver McCulloch (Pictou)

Cloutier Macdonald

Cote (Matapedia- (Brantford City)

Matane) Macdonald (Halifax)

Cote (St. Johns- McDonald

Iberville-Napierville) (Parry Sound)

Cote (Verdun) Cruiekshank McDonald (Pontiac) McGarry

Dechene Mclvor

Denis Mackenzie

Dion (Lake St. John- MacKinnon

Roberval) MacLean

Dubois McNaught

Emmerson Maloney

Farquhar Martin

Fournier (Hull) Matthews (Brandon)

Fournier (Maison- Maybank

neuve-Rosemont) May hew

Gauthier (Portneuf) Michaud

Gibson Mullins

(Comox-Alberni) Mutch

Gibson Picard

(Hamilton West) Pinard

Gingues Raymond (Wright)

Glen Reid

Golding Richard (Gloucester)

Gour (Russell) Richard (Ottawa East)

Gourd (Chapleau) Rinfret

Halle Robinson

Harris (Grey-Buuce) (Simcoe East)

Healy Ross (Hamilton East)

Howe St. Laurent

Ilsley Sinclair (Ontario)

Isnor Sinclair

Jean (Vancouver North)

Jutras Sinnott

Kirk Smith (York North)

LaCroix Stuart (Charlotte)

Lafontaine Tucker

Langlois Viau

Lapointe Warren

Laurendeau Weir

Leger Whitman

Lesage Winkler

Little McCann Winters-102.

PAIRS

(The list of pairs is whips.) furnished by the chief

Messrs:

Gardiner Ross (Souris)

Fontaine Lockhart

Mcllraith Skey [DOT]

Eudes Massey

' Mr. BRACKEN: I was paired with the Prime Minister (Mr. Mackenzie King). Had I voted I would have voted for the motion.

Mr..BRYCE: I was paired with the hon. member for Portage la Prairie (Mr. Leader). Had I voted I would have voted for the motion.

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PC

Alfred Johnson Brooks

Progressive Conservative

Mr. BROOKS:

I was paired with the hon. member for Dorchester (Mr. Tremblay). Had I voted I would have voted for the; motion.

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PC

Grote Stirling

Progressive Conservative

Mr. STIRLING:

I was paired with the Minister of Labour (Mr. Mitchell). Had I voted I would have voted for the motion.

Motions jor Papers

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PC

Winfield Chester Scott McLure

Progressive Conservative

Mr. McLURE:

I was paired with the hon. member for Queens (Mr. Douglas). Had I voted I would have voted for the motion.

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PC

Harry Rutherford Jackman

Progressive Conservative

Mr. JACKMAN:

I was paired with the Minister of National Health and Welfare (Mr. Claxton). Had I voted I would have voted for the motion.

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IND

Georges-Henri Héon

Independent Progressive Conservative

Mr. HEON:

I was paired with the hon. member for Beauce (Mr. Dionne). Had I voted I would have voted for the motion.

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LIB

Robert William Gladstone

Liberal

Mr. GLADSTONE:

I was paired with the hon. member for St. Paul's (Mr. Ross). Had I voted I would have voted against the motion.

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IND

Liguori Lacombe

Independent

Mr. LACOMBE (Translation):

I was paired with the hon. member for Terrebonne (Mr. Bertrand). Had I voted, I would have voted for the motion.

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IND

Paul-Edmond Gagnon

Independent

Mr. GAGNON (Translation):

I was paired with the hon. member for Kamouraska (Mr. Marquis). Had I voted I would have voted for the motion.

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November 7, 1945