November 6, 1945

LIB

Clarence Decatur Howe (Minister of Reconstruction; Minister of Munitions and Supply)

Liberal

Mr. HOWE:

That particular section is the one we are deleting.

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Agar Rodney Adamson

Progressive Conservative

Mr. ADAMSON:

That is the one that is out?

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LIB

Clarence Decatur Howe (Minister of Reconstruction; Minister of Munitions and Supply)

Liberal

Mr. HOWE:

Yes.

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Section agreed to. Preamble agreed to. Bill reported. Mr. HOWE moved the third reading of the bill.


LIB

James Horace King (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER:

Is it the pleasure of the house that the bill shall receive third reading now?

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Howard Charles Green

Progressive Conservative

Mr. GREEN:

Next sitting.

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LIB

James Horace King (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER:

Carried.

Motion agreed to and bill read the third time and passed.

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John Bracken (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. BRACKEN:

I rise to a point of order. There was objection to giving the bill third reading, and apparently Your Honour did not hear it.

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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of Veterans Affairs; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE:

The customary rule is, when there is no amendment, for the third reading to go through automatically. If there is an amendment the bill is held up for further consideration. I cannot lay my hand on the rule at the moment.

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Harry Rutherford Jackman

Progressive Conservative

Mr. JACKMAN:

It cannot be there.

Trans-Canada Air Lines

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John Bracken (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Progressive Conservative

Mr. BRACKEN:

If it is your ruling Mr. Speaker, that third reading can be given to-night we accept it; otherwise I point out that objection was raised to giving it third reading at this time, unless the rules permit it to be done.

Mr. COLDWELL: What is the ruling?

Does the bill stand?

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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of Veterans Affairs; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE:

Third reading has

been given.

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PC

Howard Charles Green

Progressive Conservative

Mr. GREEN:

Wait a minute; you are not making the rules.

Mr. COLDWELL: What is the ruling?

We are anxious to know whether the third reading has been given to-night. We are in favour of the third reading, but a question has been raised and we should like a ruling. I think we should have a recorded vote on this.

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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of Veterans Affairs; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE:

Mr. Speaker, may I suggest that t.he ruling is obvious. I have not the particular rule in my hand, but this bill was given second reading and then referred to the special committee on railways and shipping. That committee made a report to this house. The bill went through committee of the whole. Surely, if there is no amendment to the bill in committee of the whole, it automatically comes up for third reading by this house. That is the rule that has always been followed in this house.

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Major James William Coldwell

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. COLDWELL:

That is what I understood, Mr. Speaker, before the matter was questioned' when you called for third reading of the bill, and the ruling was not given. I think the passage of the bill should be called now. We should have a recorded' vote on this bill.

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LIB

James Horace King (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER:

I must call the attention

of the house to the fact that I received the report of the chairman of the committee of the whole. I then presented the following motion:

Moved by Mr. Howe, seconded by Mr. Mackenzie, that the bill be now read a third time.

I put this question to the house-: "Is it the pleasure of the house to adopt the motion?"

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CCF

Major James William Coldwell

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. COLDWELL:

And the putting of the question was questioned by hon. members to my right.

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LIB

James Horace King (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER:

I am sorry, but when I put the question: "Is it the pleasure of the house to adopt the motion?" I received no answer, and so I said: "Adopted"; "carried."

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CCF

Major James William Coldwell

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. COLDWELL:

We shall ask for a

recorded vote.

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PC

John George Diefenbaker

Progressive Conservative

Mr. DIEFENBAKER:

What are you going to record?

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November 6, 1945