November 2, 1945

LIB

Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of National Defence; Minister of National Defence for Naval Services)

Liberal

Mr. ABBOTT:

In common with other surplus property of this kind they will be turned over to War Assets for disposal, presumably for disposal in Europe. If there are in Europe certain types of weapons or like equipment which are surplus to army requirements and which we need in Canada, they will be brought back, but any that are surplus will be declared surplus in Europe and War Assets will dispose of them there, or any place they see fit.

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SC

Charles Edward Johnston

Social Credit

Mr. JOHNSTON:

Is any of that equipment being destroyed over there?

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LIB

Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of National Defence; Minister of National Defence for Naval Services)

Liberal

Mr. ABBOTT:

No.

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SC

Charles Edward Johnston

Social Credit

Mr. JOHNSTON:

Because sometimes it

might be brought back here and declared useless and put into scrap.

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LIB

Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of National Defence; Minister of National Defence for Naval Services)

Liberal

Mr. ABBOTT:

None of it is being scrapped, so far as I know.

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PC

William Alexander McMaster

Progressive Conservative

Mr. McMASTER:

Does the minister intend to dispose of rifles? It seems to me that at the end of the last war we had a considerable number of rifles, yet when this war commenced there seemed to be a tremendous scarcity. Is it the intention of the government to retain rifles in some place and keep them in condition?

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LIB

Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of National Defence; Minister of National Defence for Naval Services)

Liberal

Mr. ABBOTT:

My hon."friend may have forgotten that after the fall of France a large numer of rifles, some 75,000, in Canada were sent over to England, and that pretty well depleted our stocks of rifles. These rifles have not been sent back.

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LIB

Robert William Gladstone

Liberal

Mr. GLADSTONE:

It is a common practice in the home to remove to the attic things not required at the time, and this practice goes on year by year until, perhaps, moving day comes, and a great deal of household furniture and equipment is found to be obsolete. I am told that this sort of thing may have been going on in the armouries across the country, and that there will be found there much

material and equipment which could far better be scrapped and disposed of. I bring this to the attention [DOT] of the minister to inquire whether this may not be a favourable time for a housecleaning in the armouries.

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LIB

Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of National Defence; Minister of National Defence for Naval Services)

Liberal

Mr. ABBOTT:

Yes. The point is very well taken. I understand that a review or survey is now being made and steps are being taken to get rid of obsolete equipment, turn it over to War Assets Corporation, and see if they can dispose of it.

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PC

Douglas Scott Harkness

Progressive Conservative

Mr. HARKNESS:

Following my previous question, I would ask if any restrictions are placed on the sale of guns and so forth in Europe. Has the government laid down any policy as to whom these guns may be sold to? There is a distinct possibility that they might be sold, let us* say, to the Spaniards.

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LIB

Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of National Defence; Minister of National Defence for Naval Services)

Liberal

Mr. ABBOTT:

Not so far as I am aware. It does not come under my department, -which is not a disposal department, but I understand that such negotiations as have been carried on have been with our allies-the Dutch, or French, or others who may have need of some of this equipment which we can supply.

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Item agreed to. MT vehicles, trucks, tractors, trailers, tanks. AFVs, and repair parts, $126,002,216.


CCF

John Oliver Probe

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. PROBE:

I should like the minister to give an approximate breakdown of the amounts of the equipment, recently held by the Department of National Defence under category 9, which it is proposed to keep, which has already been scrapped or destroyed, and which has already been turned over to War Assets Corporation for disposal. It does not have to be to the nearest dollar, but I should like to get a picture of that.

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LIB

Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of National Defence; Minister of National Defence for Naval Services)

Liberal

Mr. ABBOTT:

I am advised that it may take some little time to make that information available. The practice is that when a truck or a car or anything else becomes surplus it is declared surplus, turned over to War Assets, and then of course the disposal is at the charge of War Assets.

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CCF

John Oliver Probe

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. PROBE:

I do not want anything exact, but would the minister please indicate whether any considerable number of vehicles have already been turned over to War Assets Corporation?

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LIB

Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of National Defence; Minister of National Defence for Naval Services)

Liberal

Mr. ABBOTT:

I am advised that a fairly substantial number of them have. I am not in a position to give exact figures now. Perhaps I can get the approximate figure or the approximate value and place it before the committee before this resolution is carried.

Demobilization-Army

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PC

Douglas King Hazen

Progressive Conservative

Mr. HAZEN:

Has any fuel been turned over by the army to War Assets?

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LIB

Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of National Defence; Minister of National Defence for Naval Services)

Liberal

Mr. ABBOTT:

Not very much, I am advised. There has been some coal, but in the language of the deputy minister it has been turned over in outlandish places.

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PC

Edmund Davie Fulton

Progressive Conservative

Mr. FULTON:

The minister may recall that when we were dealing with the naval estimates the member for Regina City asked a question similar to the one he asked to-day and a request was made to have the information available on the army estimates. It would give a better picture of the amount of money we are actually authorizing to be expended. We should know approximately how much will be received back for items that have been declared surplus. I would support the request of the hon. member for Regina City if that information can be made available at all. In that connection, can the minister give any information as to what boards or groups overseas are passing on this equipment and declaring what is surplus? What policy guides them? How do they make the decision, and on what basis do they determine whether to dispose of material or bring it back to Canada for disposal^

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LIB

Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of National Defence; Minister of National Defence for Naval Services)

Liberal

Mr. ABBOTT:

That decision would be

made by the chief of staff overseas, the army commander, with the approval of C.M.H.Q. in London, and they would authorize it on the recommendation of the army commander. I do not know the routine, but I suppose the army commander would get a recommendation from the Q.M.G. branch, which in turn would have a recommendation from someone else, and it would move up the line until authorized at the top. To put it broadly, however, it is authorized by headquarters overseas.

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November 2, 1945