November 2, 1945

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Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of National Defence; Minister of National Defence for Naval Services)

Liberal

Mr. ABBOTT:

There may be some small amount in the item for that purpose, but the manufacture of ammunition and bombs has been kept up to date, and experimental work has been carried on with large scale manufacture of the ammunition itself.

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Gordon Knapman Fraser

Progressive Conservative

Mr. FRASER:

The United States army the other day got what they call Little Jim, a gun with a 22-foot barrel, and they will have no opportunity of using it. I was wondering if the Canadian army was going to carry on experiments of that sort.

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LIB

Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of National Defence; Minister of National Defence for Naval Services)

Liberal

Mr. ABBOTT:

There is included in the item SI 15,000 for Canadian armament research and development. That is probably what my hon. friend has in mind?

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Item agreed to. Armament, including rifles, machine guns, mortars and guns of all descriptions, $84,006,979.


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Wilfrid Garfield Case

Progressive Conservative

Mr. CASE:

I presume the same answer would [DOT]apply here. It looks as though there had bpen previous commitments to a substantial amount. Will the minister explain?

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Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of National Defence; Minister of National Defence for Naval Services)

Liberal

Mr. ABBOTT:

The carry-over here is even larger. Of the total of $84,006,979, the carryover is $57,000,000 odd, and there are new commitments subsequent to the first of April of 826,497,000.

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George Randolph Pearkes

Progressive Conservative

Mr. PEARKES:

In view of recent reports

in the press regarding the attitude of the United States with reference to having uniformity amongst the American republics in the matter of the production of arms, et cetera for the future, and in view of the fact that a senior officer of the war office in London, who is charged with responsibility for the policy in connection with arms in the British army, paid a visit to Ottawa last week, could the minister tell us the results of any conferences between this British officer and the minister or officials of his department, and indicate the policy which the Canadian army intends to follow with reference to the development of arms, either in respect of British or of United States patents? .

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Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of National Defence; Minister of National Defence for Naval Services)

Liberal

Mr. ABBOTT:

I am afraid I am not in a position at the moment to make any statement as to the policy. We are maintaining the closest contact with both the British and the

Americans. All members of the committee will agree, I think, that it is desirable that equipment of this kind should be standardized as much as possible. The method of achieving that desired end is one which has to be worked out. I am not in a position to make any statement as to . the results which will be achieved, except to express the fervent hope, which I know is shared by a good many others, that a satisfactory solution will be found.

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Gordon Knapman Fraser

Progressive Conservative

Mr. FRASER:

Does the minister's department intend to give the various units throughout the country more equipment of different kinds of guns-I mean mortars, and so on?

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Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of National Defence; Minister of National Defence for Naval Services)

Liberal

Mr. ABBOTT:

My hon. friend is referring

to reserve army units, I suppose?

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LIB

Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of National Defence; Minister of National Defence for Naval Services)

Liberal

Mr. ABBOTT:

Yes. As I said in my preliminary statement, it is our intention to see that the reserve army units have the latest and most up-to-date equipment in ample quantities. We have the quantities to give them now. Perhaps ten or fifteen years from now new weapons will be brought down, but the army to-day is well supplied with the latest and most up-to-date equipment, and that will be made available to the units of the reserve army.

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Gordon Knapman Fraser

Progressive Conservative

Mr. FRASER:

Does the minister's department intend, as was done after the last war, to give guns away as ornaments for city parks and the like?

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Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of National Defence; Minister of National Defence for Naval Services)

Liberal

Mr. ABBOTT:

That has not been considered. If I can express a personal opinion, I am a bit against it. I never thought they added much to the aesthetic appearance of our parks.

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William Alexander McMaster

Progressive Conservative

Mr. McMASTER:

The amount for rifles

and machine guns, so late in the war, seems rather large. Were these guns and rifles which are mentioned as being manufactured intended for the Canadian army or for some allied army?

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Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of National Defence; Minister of National Defence for Naval Services)

Liberal

Mr. ABBOTT:

The items here are only for our own forces. As my hon. friend knows, we manufactured fairly substantial quantities of guns and small arms for other nations under mutual aid. But that is not included in these estimates.

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William Irvine

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. IRVINE:

Is. it the intention of the

government to use the excellent camp and hospital which have been established at Prince George for training purposes in the future? Has any consideration been given to that, or does the minister intend to give any?

Demobilization-Army

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Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of National Defence; Minister of National Defence for Naval Services)

Liberal

Mr. ABBOTT:

I cannot say I have given

any specific consideration to that question.' I will take note of ray hon. friend's remarks and see that the facilities at Fort George are kept in mind.

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Douglas Scott Harkness

Progressive Conservative

Mr. HARKNESS:

What disposal is being

made of the large number of guns, machine guns, and so forth, which were in the hands of the Canadian army overseas at the end of the war? Is it proposed to bring them back to Canada, or are they to be scrapped over there? The same question really applies to the next item; what is being done with the armoured fighting vehicles, tanks and armoured cars, which are of no use for civilian purposes?

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November 2, 1945