capita. That is the way we settle for our transportation overseas. We have an arrangement with the British which is based on a capitation rate. It has been worked out over the period of the war and I think in some cases was finally settled only during the last few months.
I should like to ask the minister regarding the use of Camp Borden, Barrie has been known for some time as a military town. The merchants there rely a good deal on the money spent by soldiers residing at Camp Borden. There will no doubt be a reduction in the personnel of soldiers and air force men at Camp Borden, and the purchasing power of these men will be greatly missed by the merchants of Barrie. There is and has been for years an establishment at Stanley barracks of the permanent force with, I believe, inadequate, grounds for proper training. Would the minister bear in mind, when cutting expense and increasing efficiency in the army, that the vacant barracks should be used at Camp Borden by the permanent soldiers * from Stanley, by the removal of these soldiers from the Stanley barracks, from a large centre such as Toronto, to provide great benefits to a small community like Barrie, Ontario? I would ask the minister to consider that in the interest of the reduction of costs and the increase of efficiency of the army.
One matter in connection with the repatriation. There has been strong criticism of the fact that in a recent voyage of the Queen Elizabeth five per cent of those on board were civilians. The criticism is that a number of civilians, unnecessary in Canada, travelled on that ship. I have received letters from men overseas who complain about that. They point out that 600 civilians, not including wives and dependents of soldiers, are altogether too great a number of civilians to be permitted to travel on ships designated for the return of servicemen. Is the minister in a position to answer that question?
Yes, I can answer that. The Queen Elizabeth, as well as other boats, has been obtained from the British ministry of shipping, and it is obtained on condition that a certain limited amount of space is reserved for civilian passengers engaged in necessary travel. Members of the committee will realize that certain civilians have to travel. We have no control over those who oecupy that limited amount of space. That must be obtained from the British ministry of shipping.
I take it that this is the item to which the remark of the hon. member for Simcoe North pertained. I have not heard any intimation that there was a thought on the part of the minister to close up Stanley barracks in Toronto.