November 1, 1945

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Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of National Defence; Minister of National Defence for Naval Services)

Liberal

Mr. ABBOTT:

The army pays them, and

then the other two services for accounting purposes are charged on the capitation rate that I mentioned.

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Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of National Defence; Minister of National Defence for Naval Services)

Liberal

Mr. ABBOTT:

That is right-on a per

capita. That is the way we settle for our transportation overseas. We have an arrangement with the British which is based on a capitation rate. It has been worked out over the period of the war and I think in some cases was finally settled only during the last few months.

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Alfred Johnson Brooks

Progressive Conservative

Mr. BROOKS:

Which department arranges for the chartering of the ships?

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Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of National Defence; Minister of National Defence for Naval Services)

Liberal

Mr. ABBOTT:

The army.

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Julian Harcourt Ferguson

Progressive Conservative

Mr. FERGUSON:

I should like to ask the minister regarding the use of Camp Borden, Barrie has been known for some time as a military town. The merchants there rely a good deal on the money spent by soldiers residing at Camp Borden. There will no doubt be a reduction in the personnel of soldiers and air force men at Camp Borden, and the purchasing power of these men will be greatly missed by the merchants of Barrie. There is and has been for years an establishment at Stanley barracks of the permanent force with, I believe, inadequate, grounds for proper training. Would the minister bear in mind, when cutting expense and increasing efficiency in the army, that the vacant barracks should be used at Camp Borden by the permanent soldiers * from Stanley, by the removal of these soldiers from the Stanley barracks, from a large centre such as Toronto, to provide great benefits to a small community like Barrie, Ontario? I would ask the minister to consider that in the interest of the reduction of costs and the increase of efficiency of the army.

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William Ross Macdonald (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

The CHAIRMAN:

May I point out that we are on item 3, travel, transportation and freight. I do not see how the statement made by the hon. member for Simcoe North comes

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within that item, and I wonder whether we could leave the discussion of it until we come to the item in which it is included.

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Richard Langton Baker

Mr. DIEFENB AKER:

One matter in connection with the repatriation. There has been strong criticism of the fact that in a recent voyage of the Queen Elizabeth five per cent of those on board were civilians. The criticism is that a number of civilians, unnecessary in Canada, travelled on that ship. I have received letters from men overseas who complain about that. They point out that 600 civilians, not including wives and dependents of soldiers, are altogether too great a number of civilians to be permitted to travel on ships designated for the return of servicemen. Is the minister in a position to answer that question?

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Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of National Defence; Minister of National Defence for Naval Services)

Liberal

Mr. ABBOTT:

Yes, I can answer that. The Queen Elizabeth, as well as other boats, has been obtained from the British ministry of shipping, and it is obtained on condition that a certain limited amount of space is reserved for civilian passengers engaged in necessary travel. Members of the committee will realize that certain civilians have to travel. We have no control over those who oecupy that limited amount of space. That must be obtained from the British ministry of shipping.

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Lawrence Wilton Skey

Progressive Conservative

Mr. SKEY:

Did the minister in an earlier statement to-night say that we have a special ship equipped to carry from England to this country the wives of our Canadian servicemen?

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LIB

Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of National Defence; Minister of National Defence for Naval Services)

Liberal

Mr. ABBOTT:

Not yet.

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Lawrence Wilton Skey

Progressive Conservative

Mr. SKEY:

May I ask if we intend to have one?

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Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of National Defence; Minister of National Defence for Naval Services)

Liberal

Mr. ABBOTT:

We hope we may have.

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Lawrence Wilton Skey

Progressive Conservative

Mr. SKEY:

If we have one, will it be under the control of the Canadian army?

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Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of National Defence; Minister of National Defence for Naval Services)

Liberal

Mr. ABBOTT:

Yes.

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Item agreed to. Construction, purchase, repairs and operating expenses of properties: (a) capital expenditure. $11,031,465; (b) repairs, operating expenses and rentals, $29,745,798.


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Donald Methuen Fleming

Progressive Conservative

Mr. FLEMING:

I take it that this is the item to which the remark of the hon. member for Simcoe North pertained. I have not heard any intimation that there was a thought on the part of the minister to close up Stanley barracks in Toronto.

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Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of National Defence; Minister of National Defence for Naval Services)

Liberal

Mr. ABBOTT:

I have not heard of it myself.

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Donald Methuen Fleming

Progressive Conservative

Mr. FLEMING:

I trust there is no thought of removing the permanent force unit, which Toronto has been glad to accommodate, from that great city. .

[The Chairman.]

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Douglas Charles Abbott (Minister of National Defence; Minister of National Defence for Naval Services)

Liberal

Mr. ABBOTT:

No decision in the matter has yet been made.

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November 1, 1945