April 13, 1945

LIB

Thomas Vien (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER:

I have listened with care to what has been said regarding the amendment before the house. When I looked at the amendment I came to the conclusion that it was in order. There was one doubt in my mind with regard to the last part of it, namely "and also the above order in council be repealed at once". I had some doubt in my mind regarding that; but the Clerk has now shown me an amendment moved on May 23, 1918, where-

Sir Wilfrid Laurier moved, in amendment thereto, seconded by Mr. Mackenzie, that all the words in the motion after "that" be left out, and the following substituted therefor: "In the opinion of this house the War-time Elections Act should be repealed".

The amendment was declared in order and a recorded vote was taken.

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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of Veterans Affairs; Leader of the Government in the House of Commons; Liberal Party House Leader)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver Centre):

With all due respect to Your Honour, it was entirely different.

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LIB

Thomas Vien (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER:

There is no difference in the question now before us, because at the end the amendment says, "and also the above order in council be repealed at once".

So far as the merits of the amendment are concerned, it will be understood of course that the Chair cannot give any direction to the house. Hon. members know the effect of the amendment, without its being pointed out by the Chair. I can rule only as to whether the 32283-55}

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LIB

Thomas Vien (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER:

The question is on the

main motion. Is it the pleasure of the house to adopt the motion?

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Some hon. MEMBERS:

Carried.

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IND

Joseph Sasseville Roy

Independent

Mr. ROY:

On division.

Main motion agreed to, on division, bill read the second time, and the house went into committee thereon, Mr. Bradette in the chair.

Sections 1 to 6 inclusive agreed to.

On the preamble.

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NAT

John Ritchie MacNicol

National Government

Mr. MacNICOL:

Mr. Chairman, I have not a copy of the bill.

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LIB

Joseph-Arthur Bradette (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

The CHAIRMAN:

It is exactly the same as the resolution. There is no change.

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NAT

Karl Kenneth Homuth

National Government

Mr. HOMUTH:

But this is not the resolution, Mr. Chairman; this is the bill and it has not been distributed. My hon. friend has just received a copy now.

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LIB

Joseph-Arthur Bradette (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

The CHAIRMAN:

The bill is exactly the same as the resolution.

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LIB

Charles Gavan Power

Liberal

Mr. POWER:

I do object, Mr. Chairman. I have sat in this house for a long time and I have some respect for the usages and privi-

leges of parliament. This is the last evening, almost the last minute of a parliament and I object to our railroading this bill through when the members have not had a chance to look at it. That has not been the custom in the past and I hope that it will not be in the future.

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LIB

Joseph-Arthur Bradette (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

The CHAIRMAN:

The bill is the same

as the resolution.

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LIB

Charles Gavan Power

Liberal

Mr. POWER:

That has nothing to do with it, Mr. Chairman. This committee is required to pass on a certain bill and, with all deference, this committee should have the bill read section by section. I certainly would not consent to the passage of this bill as it is being attempted to be passed now.

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CCF

Clarence Gillis

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. GILLIS:

I have no desire to pursue

the discussion, but there were some questions on which I wish to have an answer from the Minister of Munitions and Supply before this bill is passed. I should like the minister to make a statement as to P.C. 1952, passed March 22, regarding steel subsidies. The minister also made a statement in Halifax recently regarding the strait of Canso causeway. Perhaps he would elaborate on these two matters.

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LIB

Clarence Decatur Howe (Minister of Reconstruction; Minister of Munitions and Supply)

Liberal

Mr. HOWE:

Regarding the subsidy agreement with Dosco, the previous agreement had to do with residual deficits. In other words, the company was to operate as efficiently as possible and the government would see that the company would not incur a loss on the year's operation. That was found to be unsatisfactory and a new subsidy form was drawn up based on incentive. That is to say, the company must operate better than it has in the past in order to break even, and if it can operate still better, they have a chance to make a profit. The plate mill has been engaged in rolling steel plates for government orders. The operation of that mill is dependent on the ship building programme, which in turn is dependent on export orders. Rolling plate is not a normal operation in the Sydney production. Therefore it was thought that it is not fair to make the tonnage depend upon an output which included plate; therefore the proviso that if the plate mill was operating on government orders, the subsidy would be one figure, and if it was not operating on government orders, the subsidy would be a higher figure. We were not putting a premium on not operating the plate mill, but simply recognizing the fact that the only plate ever rolled there was plate rolled for government orders, and we did not want to undertake that the mill will run to capacity with government orders.

War Appropriation

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CCF

Clarence Gillis

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. GILLIS:

I understand that there is no intention of continuing the operation of that mill.

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LIB

Clarence Decatur Howe (Minister of Reconstruction; Minister of Munitions and Supply)

Liberal

Mr. HOWE:

I would not say that.

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CCF

Clarence Gillis

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. GILLIS:

Without government orders

it does not operate; it does not fit into the private enterprise picture.

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LIB

Clarence Decatur Howe (Minister of Reconstruction; Minister of Munitions and Supply)

Liberal

Mr. HOWE:

The government should not

order plate simply to order plate. We will order if we have a use for it. Otherwise the government can scarcely order plate from any mill.

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CCF

Clarence Gillis

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. GILLIS:

That puts the mill out.

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April 13, 1945