April 10, 1945


On the orders of the day:


LIB

Pierre Auguste Martial Rhéaume

Liberal

Mr. MARTIAL RHEAUME (St. Johns-Iberville-Napierville) (Translation):

Mr. Speaker, under standing order 31, I beg leave to move the adjournment of the house to discuss a definite matter of urgent public importance which concerns the farming community of this country.

On October 20, 1944, an order in council laid an embargo on hay. At the beginning of March, 1945, a second order in council prohibited the export of straw and laid an embargo on that commodity. There are in this country 150,000 tons of hay for sale. In my constituency of St. Johns-Iberville-Napier-ville, at least 600 farmers are interested in the lifting of that embargo, because they still have on hand at least 15,000 tons of hay, and from 5,000 to 6,000 tons of straw. It is imperative that this embargo be lifted.

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LIB

Thomas Vien (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER:

The hon. member for St. Johns-Iberville-Napierville is asking a question which I think should be put on the order paper.

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MOTOR VEHICLES

PERMITS FOR PURCHASE-LACK OF BILINGUAL OFFICIALS IN ISSUING BRANCH


On the orders of the day: Mr. JEAN-FRANCOIS POULIOT (Temis-couata): May I bring to the attention of the government the fact that there is nobody who speaks French in the branch here which issues permits for the purchase of motor vehicles, and also that there are no translators. I am not complaining of these officials, who are fine fellows, but none of them understands one of the official languages in this country, and that is the reason why some people who fill up applications in English have the first choice, and there is nothing left when the applications which are made in French have been translated. I therefore ask the government to see to it that there is appointed some Frenchspeaking, or at least some French-understanding officials in that branch, or to see to it that they have a translator. If an application is made at Riviere-du-Loup it is sent to Quebec, from Quebec to Montreal, from Montreal to Ottawa, and then, if it is in French it is sent to a translator, and applicants have to wait for a month or two before the English translation reaches the officials concerned. I hope that the government will do something in this matter for the benefit of the French-speaking population.


WAR APPROPRIATION BILL

PROVISION FOR GRANTING TO HIS MAJESTY AID FOR NATIONAL DEFENCE AND SECURITY


The house resumed from Monday, April 9, consideration in committee of a resolution to grant to His Majesty certain sums of money for the carrying out of measures consequent upon the existence of a state of war-Mr. Ilsley-Mr. Bradette in the chair.


DEPARTMENT OF NATIONAL DEFENCE

LIB

Joseph-Arthur Bradette (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

The CHAIRMAN:

We are on the estimates for the army.

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CCF

George Hugh Castleden

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. CASTLEDEN:

I think the parliamentary assistant is to reply to a number of questions which I asked him on Friday afternoon.

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Douglas Charles Abbott (Parliamentary Assistant to the Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. ABBOTT:

Yes; I have a certain amount of unfinished business from Friday and yesterday. The hon. member for Yorkton, I think, asked me a question about remustering, what steps were taken to protect the position of other ranks who were remustering from one branch of the service to another. The regulation in that respect reads as follows:

The adjutant general may continue the pay and allowances of non-commissioned officers who have been withdrawn for re-training or who are reduced in rank, or who are re-posted or transferred, at the same rates which such noncommissioned officers were receiving immediately prior to being so withdrawn for re-trainings reduced in rank, re-posted or transferred. Such pay and allowances as aforesaid may be continued during re-training and for the period of six months after posting or transfer to an operational unit or to any other unit in which the services of such non-commissioned officers are required, notwithstanding the rank held by such non-commissioned officers in such units or formations.

In other words, there is a substantial protection there; the same pay and allowances are continued during training and for six months after the expiration of that period. At the end of that time I suppose they have to take their chance along with the others.

Similar regulations to those for non-commissioned officers are also in effect as regards tradesmen employed in a trade, specialty, or as regards a general duty soldier, where the normal rate of pay would be less than that rvhich the tradesman previously earned.

I think that covers what the hon. gentleman had in mind. As to the numbers at the time of the special session, it was mentioned that certain non-commissioned officers, tradesmen, were being made available under this arrangement and it was estimated that 750 of each would be made available for service overseas at an early day. The numbers withdrawn from units in Canada for this purpose were slightly less than 1,000 in each instance,.

War Appropriation-The Army

and all except those who failed to complete reconditioning training will now have proceeded overseas.

My hon. friend asked me a question about the casualties in the forces among officers on loan to the British army. The figures are: killed or died of wounds, 103; wounded., 274; missing and prisoners of war, 37. That makes a total of 414.

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CCF

George Hugh Castleden

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. CASTLEDEN:

How does that compare with the casualties within our own ranks in action?

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Douglas Charles Abbott (Parliamentary Assistant to the Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. ABBOTT:

I have no direct comparison, but I may say that the proportion would be higher, for the reason that the majority of these officers went as regimental infantry officers. Some were captains, but most are lieutenants, and the casualty rate among the lieutenants, particularly in the infantry, is higher than the casualty rate for officers generally. I do not recall any other question my hon. friend asked me.

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CCF

George Hugh Castleden

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. CASTLEDEN:

I asked about the number of men on the Italian front who had been there for more than two and a half years.

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LIB

Douglas Charles Abbott (Parliamentary Assistant to the Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. ABBOTT:

There are none, because we have not been there for two and a half years, but from July, 1943.

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CCF

George Hugh Castleden

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. CASTLEDEN:

One and a half years, then.

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LIB

Douglas Charles Abbott (Parliamentary Assistant to the Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. ABBOTT:

I have not that information, but I could get it fairly accurately. I will either give it to my hon. friend or put it on the record later in the debate.

Some hon. members asked how many men had been discharged from the N.R.M.A. to civilian life since November. I believe the hon. member for Vancouver South (Mr. Green) asked that question. These are the figures:

November 696

December 643

January 544

February 461

March 467

Total 2,811

About sixty per cent of these discharges are medically unfit and over thirty-five per cent under the headings of services no longer required, compassionate grounds, and the like. Discharges under these headings include a large proportion of low category men since the service of high category men can always be utilized.

The member for Vancouver South asked for some indication as to how many out of the 7,500 men requisitioned for March were obtained. The figure is 6,179. It has been found from experience that of six men called, approximately four ultimately go overseas. One fails to complete training, for medical reasons or otherwise, one goes out of the training stream with a lower category, and four are trained and fit to proceed overseas. That has been found from experience to be a fair average.

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NAT

Howard Charles Green

National Government

Mr. GREEN:

Of that 7,500, how many are N.R.M.A. troops and how many general service?

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April 10, 1945