April 5, 1945

LIB

Humphrey Mitchell (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. MITCHELL:

As the hon. member for New Westminster just said, it just cannot be done. If my hon. friend knows of any way in which the time it takes to make a toolmaker can be shortened, I should be very glad to learn of it.

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Joseph William Noseworthy

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. NOSEWORTHY:

The minister still has not answered my question. Is the department making any provision whereby the men who take such part of the course, let us say in toolmaking, as they can get in a school, can be assisted, after completing their technical training in the school, to become proficient in toolmaking or any of the other mechanical trades which require training additional to that which is received in the schools?

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LIB

Humphrey Mitchell (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. MITCHELL:

I thought I had answered my hon. friend. I suppose he knows as much about these things as I do. I do not believe that any agency, government or other, can insist that an employer should employ any individual. The proof of the pudding is in the eating of it. Speaking of toolmaking, it was estimated at the outbreak of the wTar that there were in Canada 2,300 toolmakers. That is not very many. The situation was considered to constitute a bottleneck in the machine tool industry in 1941 and 1942. Notwithstanding that, we built up the largest industrial structure in the history of this country. My hon. friend can rest assured that machinery mechanics are there, and that training for those young men-I might say, in a general way-will be available to them should they desire it. As the Minister of Veterans' Affairs has already pointed out, although 200,000 have already been discharged from the armed services it has only been necessary for his department and mine to make provision for the training of 7,040 of those who have been discharged. I think the question put by my hon. friend is largely academic.

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NAT

Douglas King Hazen

National Government

Mr. HAZEN:

Have any members of the

R.C.A.F. who were prisoners of war escaped or been released by reason of the advance of the Russian army into eastern- Germany? A number of German prisoner of war camps were in the eastern part of their country, and as the Russians advanced they were moved from time to time. Some of the wives and relatives of our prisoners of war are concerned as to their present whereabouts. Also, would the minister let us have the

number of casualties in the R.CA.F. since the outbreak of war, and the number of prisoners the Germans hav-e belonging to the air force? Would1 he also let us know the number of casualties, breaking down the figures to show the number in aircrew and the number in the ground force?

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LIB

Colin William George Gibson (Minister of National Defence for Air)

Liberal

Mr. GIBSON:

The figures for casualties,

accumulated from September 9, 1939 to February 28, 1945, give a grand total of 18,206 lost on service. Of theses 8,842 were officers and 9,364 other ranks. I have not yet any particulars as to whether members of the R.C.AE. have been released from- prison camps o,n- the Russian front, but as soon as any word is received of course their relatives will be notified.

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NAT

Douglas King Hazen

National Government

Mr. HAZEN:

The minister did not give

us any breakdown of casualties as between ground crew and the aircrew. Has he those figures?

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LIB

Colin William George Gibson (Minister of National Defence for Air)

Liberal

Mr. GIBSON:

I have not those broken

down as between, ground crew and aircrew, but I can g-et that information.

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NAT

Douglas King Hazen

National Government

Mr. HAZEN:

The minister did not mention, either, how many members of the R.C.A.F. were prisoners of war. Has he those figures?

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LIB

Colin William George Gibson (Minister of National Defence for Air)

Liberal

Mr. GIBSON:

No, I have not the number of prisoners of war, but I can get that for my hon. friend.

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NAT

Douglas King Hazen

National Government

Mr. HAZEN:

The other evening, when the Minister of National Defence for Naval Services presented his statement, he said that in 1941 the government took the view that the post-war navy should consist of, in round figures, 9,000 officers and men. Has any consideration been given by the government to the. strength of the R.C.AE. after the war?

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LIB

Colin William George Gibson (Minister of National Defence for Air)

Liberal

Mr. GIBSON:

The R.C.AE. staff have

been compiling, alternative plans for the posh war air force. No definite decision has been reached as to what the air force will consist of after the war. I think it depends to some extent on what international relations have been built up by the end of hostilities. We have not at the -present time any definite plan as to what it will consist of.

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NAT

Douglas King Hazen

National Government

Mr. HAZEN:

Is it the government's intention to keep open the air school at Pennfield Ridge and the ones in Charlottetown and Chatham, New Brunswick? What is the nature of the instruction being given there at the present time?

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LIB

Colin William George Gibson (Minister of National Defence for Air)

Liberal

Mr. GIBSON:

Pennfield is an operational training unit and it is being kept open for that purpose.

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LIB

Colin William George Gibson (Minister of National Defence for Air)

Liberal

Mr. GIBSON:

While operational training continues it will be continued.

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NAT

Douglas King Hazen

National Government

Mr. HAZEN:

Is there any possibility of reopening the school at Chatham, New Brunswick, which has been closed?

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LIB

Colin William George Gibson (Minister of National Defence for Air)

Liberal

Mr. GIBSON:

I would not say there is no possibility, but there is little likelihood of it.

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SC

Robert Fair

Social Credit

Mr. FAIR:

In the past provision has been made to train men on their discharge from the air force. Are any restrictions placed on the officers who arrange for that training? I have in mind men who left the teaching profession to join the air force and after discharge desired to take university training. I understand that several teachers have been refused such training. They have been told that they are now school teachers and can earn a living in that profession. I think we all realize, however, that many people who enter the teaching profession regard it as a stepping stone to something better in the future, and I am wondering whether teachers who have been discharged from the air force should not be encouraged and given university training.

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LIB

Humphrey Mitchell (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. MITCHELL:

That comes under my department, and I might as well answer it now. There has been, particularly in my hon. friend's own province, a great shortage in the teaching profession. At one time in some provinces it was intimated to me that many schools would have to close down. That was so about a year ago, and that condition still exists. It is essential that we have some control over the teaching profession, just as we have over coal mining, base metals and so forth down through the line. No one appreciates more than I do what my hon. friend has said about school teaching being sometimes the basis of a career, but until labour conditions are stabilized in the country-and I am speaking in the broader sense-it is essential that we should have some control and should see that the younger people are given the necessary education in order that they may go on to university. I shall be just as happy as my hon. friend when we no longer have control over any civilian in the community, and that goes for school teachers and everyone else.

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SC

Robert Fair

Social Credit

Mr. FAIR:

I had no particular reference to Alberta. I was speaking of the teachers in Canada as a whole. In the press a couple of days ago I noticed something to the effect that there would be a "defreezing" of certain positions after September 1. If the reason

the minister has given explains the fact that teachers have not been allowed to go on to university, will that restriction be removed after September 1?

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April 5, 1945