August 12, 1944

JULY 31, 1944


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Thomas Vien (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER:

With regard to the question as to the Chairman of committees making a report when he was not in the Chair, it is the duty of the Clerk to take a note of proceedings in committee, and I now have these notes.

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Karl Kenneth Homuth

National Government

Mr. HOMUTH:

I rise to a question of privilege. I say that in the confusion just before six o'clock Hansard did not get everything the Chairman had said, because he did accept the hon. member's word.

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Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of Pensions and National Health)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver Centre):

He did not.

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Thomas Vien (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER:

The only matter before the Chair is the report from the Chairman of the committee. It is my duty to remind the house that the question is: Shall the ruling of the Chairman be confirmed?

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Mark Cecil Senn

Progressive Conservative

Mr. SENN:

I was paired with the hon. member for Hamilton East (Mr. Ross). Had I voted, I would have voted against the ruling of the chairman being confirmed.

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Thomas Vien (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER:

The decision of the house having been given, I wish to direct a remark to the hon. member for Parkdale (Mr. Bruce). He is an old member of the house, accustomed to the dignity and decorum of assemblies. Under circumstances which are very painful to the house and to myself I would ask the hon. gentleman if he would withdraw his remark.

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Herbert Alexander Bruce

National Government

Mr. BRUCE:

Mr. Speaker, I regret to say that I cannot and1 will not withdraw my remark.

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Thomas Vien (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER:

I must therefore ask the hon. member if he will withdraw from the chamber until the house decides what it will do.

And Mr. Bruce having withdrawn.

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James Horace King (Minister Without Portfolio; Leader of the Government in the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

Mr. Speaker, I would draw the attention of Your Honour and hon. members of the house to citation 280 of standing order 40 in Beauchesne's Parliamentary Rules and Forms, 1927, which reads:

In case a member persists in using unparliamentary language, the Speaker will be compelled to name him, which is equivalent to submitting his conduct to the judgment of the house. The member should then explain and withdraw and it will be for the bouse to consider what course to follow in reference to him. If the explanation is deemed sufficient, some member will move that it be accepted. In case the offending member does not explain and persist in remaining in the house, a motion shall forthwith be made, preferably by the leader of the house, "that Mr. . . . member for ... be suspended from the service of the house."

The hon. member has stated to Your Honour that he will not withdraw the statement which he has made, and I would therefore move:

That Mr. Bruce, member for Parkdale, be suspended from the service of this house for the remainder of to-day's sitting.

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Gordon Graydon (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. GRAYDON:

May I say to the Prime Minister that this pretty well indicates the degree of seriousness of the offence and, I

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think, shows the ridiculousness of the position which the Prime Minister and the government have taken in connection with it.

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Some hon. MEMBERS:

Yea.

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Some hon. MEMBERS:

Nay.

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Thomas Vien (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER:

In my opinion the yeas have it.

And1 five members having risen.

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Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of Pensions and National Health)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver Centre):

The Tories against family allowances.

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August 12, 1944