July 24, 1944

FISHERIES PRICES

PROVISION FOR STABILIZATION, PURCHASE OF STAPLE PRODUCTS AT APPROVED PRICES, ETC.


Hon. L. S. ST. LAURENT (for the Minister of Fisheries) moved that the house go into committee at the next sitting to consider the following resolution: That it is expedient for the purpose of supporting fisheries prices during the transition from war to peace to introduce a measure to establish a board with authority to purchase through agents or otherwise staple fisheries products at prices recommended by the board and approved by the governor in council, or to make such payments in respect of staple fisheries products as may be necessary to bring average returns to producers up to the prices so approved, and to give the board such powers as may be necessary for the handling and disposition of products purchased; and further, to provide for the appointment of such officers, clerks and employees as may be necessary; To provide further that the governor in council may authorize from time to time payments out of unappropriated moneys in the consolidated revenue fund, up to an aggregate of twenty-five million dollars, for the expenditures under the said measure, exclusive of administrative expenditures; that there shall be a special account to which all expenditures under the said measure, other than administrative expenditures, are charged, and to which all receipts from the sale or disposition of fisheries products shall be credited; which receipts shall be available in the account for -subsequent expenditures provided that the net (realized profits in the account in any fiscal year shall ibe credited to the consolidated revenue fund and any net realized loss in the account in any fiscal year shall be recouped to the said account from an appropriation by parliament for the purpose. He said: His Excellency the Governor-General, having been made acquainted with the subject matter of this resolution, recommends it to the consideration of the house. Motion agreed to.


PRISONERS OF WAR

REPORTS OF KILLING OF ALLIED AIRMEN IN GERMANY


On the orders of the day:


LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Right Hon. W. L. MACKENZIE KING (Prime Minister):

Mr. Speaker, on Thursday

last the leader of the opposition asked about a statement in the United Kingdom bouse, by

Freedom oj Speech

Sir James Grigg, secretary of war, regarding the shooting of allied prisoners of war. Sir James Grigg's statement and the question of the leader of the opposition referred to the shooting of allied airmen who hadl been held as prisoners of war in Germany. The cases mentioned in Sir James Grigg's statement did not include any Canadians. The cases referred to 'by Sir James Grigg were in addition to the list of fifty allied airmen shot while prisoners of war, which Mr. Eden gave last month and which included six 'Canadians. I have ascertained that' there were no' Canadian airmen included in the supplementary list of allied airmen shot while prisoners of war which Sir James Grigg mentioned last week.

Topic:   PRISONERS OF WAR
Subtopic:   REPORTS OF KILLING OF ALLIED AIRMEN IN GERMANY
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LABOUR CONDITIONS

POSSIBLE STOPPAGE OF WORK AT HALIEAX SHIPYARDS


On the c.-ders of the day:


LIB

Humphrey Mitchell (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Hon. HUMPHREY MITCHELL (Minister of Labour):

On Friday last the hon. member for Yorkton (Mr. Castleden) asked a question with reference to the dispute in the Halifax shipyards, I replied that as I had just returned to the city I would be glad to give him a reply on Monday.

The answer is that we are doing everything possible to avert a stoppage of work in this vital industry. The senior industrial relations officer of the department in the maritime provinces is at present in Halifax conferring with union and company officials with reference to their differences of opinion with a view to bringing about agreement between them.

I have received a number of telegrams from trade unions in the Halifax district suggesting that the company be compelled to implement the report of the conciliation board. Without saying anything that might prejudice the negotiations about to commence, I would merely state that neither the Industrial Disputes Investigation Act nor the wartime labour relations regulations which superseded that act requires the acceptance of recommendations in reports of conciliation boards by the parties concerned. Trade unions and

employer's organizations generally are opposed to any such step. I would say this, however, that the labour relations regulations compel employers and employees to bargain collectively, but do not obligate an employer to agree to the closed shop or check-off of union dues, which is the issue in this dispute.

Topic:   LABOUR CONDITIONS
Subtopic:   POSSIBLE STOPPAGE OF WORK AT HALIEAX SHIPYARDS
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FREEDOM OF SPEECH

REFERENCE TO QUESTION OF PRIVILEGE (MR. GRAYDON) ON JULY 21


On the orders of the day:


LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Right Hon. W. L. MACKENZIE KING (Prime Minister):

The leader of the opposition on Friday referred to a matter which had arisen in the other house and which he stated had to do with the privileges of parliament. May I give my hon. friend an answer as to my position in this matter by referring to an old and well-known rule:

Whatever matter arises concerning either house of (parliament ought to be discussed and adjudged in that house to which it relates land not elsewhere.

Topic:   FREEDOM OF SPEECH
Subtopic:   REFERENCE TO QUESTION OF PRIVILEGE (MR. GRAYDON) ON JULY 21
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NAT

Gordon Graydon (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. GORDON GRAYDON (Leader of the Opposition):

May I say to the Prime Minister that it was not with respect to a debate in the other house that I was referring. It was a case of a member of parliament having made a statement in parliament and then being dismissed because he had made the statement. That, in my opinion, constitutes an interference with the freedom of speech of members of parliament, and for that reason I felt that the Prime Minister and the leader of the government in the other house should have a conference with respect to the matter because I very definitely feel that in this incident there is involved an issue of considerable magnitude.

Topic:   FREEDOM OF SPEECH
Subtopic:   REFERENCE TO QUESTION OF PRIVILEGE (MR. GRAYDON) ON JULY 21
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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

I say to my hon. friend that if he wishes to raise an issue of much larger magnitude he would ask this federal government or any member of it to begin to criticize the action of a provincial government. My hon. friend possibly forgets that the remarks to which he refers were made by an official of a provincial government which has responsibility for its officials. It has taken that responsibility and is exercising it in its full rights, and this house of parliament should be the last to seek to invade the jurisdiction of a province by criticizing the action of a government in relation to its own officials.

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Subtopic:   REFERENCE TO QUESTION OF PRIVILEGE (MR. GRAYDON) ON JULY 21
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NAT

Gordon Graydon (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. GRAYDON:

The provincial government then is interfering with the right of freedom of speech, surely.

Topic:   FREEDOM OF SPEECH
Subtopic:   REFERENCE TO QUESTION OF PRIVILEGE (MR. GRAYDON) ON JULY 21
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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

Is my hon.

friend laying down the doctrine that a member of parliament can exercise freedom of speech to the extent of making any statement he pleases in regard to any situation of any relationship and thereby be exempt from consequences which may arise from sources other than in relation to his own parliament?

Topic:   FREEDOM OF SPEECH
Subtopic:   REFERENCE TO QUESTION OF PRIVILEGE (MR. GRAYDON) ON JULY 21
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NAT

Gordon Graydon (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. GRAYDON:

He ought to be free to speak his mind.

Quebec Election

Topic:   FREEDOM OF SPEECH
Subtopic:   REFERENCE TO QUESTION OF PRIVILEGE (MR. GRAYDON) ON JULY 21
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July 24, 1944