July 17, 1944

NAT

Douglas Gooderham Ross

National Government

Mr. ROSS (St. Paul's):

Might I ask the Minister of Munitions and Supply who is to have jurisdiction over the coming and going of aeroplanes in a harbour such as that of Toronto?

Quebec Election

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LIB

Clarence Decatur Howe (Minister of Munitions and Supply)

Liberal

Mr. HOWE:

The city of Toronto owns and administers the airport under the regulations of the air transport board. All aviation is carried on under the direction of federal authority.

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NAT

Douglas Gooderham Ross

National Government

Mr. ROSS (St. Paul's):

: I have in mind particularly the operation of seaplanes.

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LIB

Clarence Decatur Howe (Minister of Munitions and Supply)

Liberal

Mr. HOWE:

They come under the control of the air transport board. -

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NAT

Douglas Gooderham Ross

National Government

Mr. ROSS (St. Paul's):

WTho will have the final say as to how they are to come and go?

Mr. HOW^E: The air transport board.

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Douglas Gooderham Ross

National Government

Mr. ROSS (St. Paul's):

The harbour commissioners will have nothing whatever to do with it?

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LIB

Clarence Decatur Howe (Minister of Munitions and Supply)

Liberal

Mr. HOWE:

The harbour commissioners will operate the seaplane base, just as they operate the land plane base, as the owners; they will direct traffic in connection with both, in accordance with the rules laid down by the air transport board.

IMr. ROSS (St. Paul's): They will direct traffic of the air boats, not the steam boats.

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LIB

Joseph Enoil Michaud (Minister of Transport)

Liberal

Mr. MICHAUD:

The harbour of Toronto, so far as navigation by water is concerned, is independent in making its regulations for incoming and outgoing boats. I understood my hon. friend to ask whether rates for transportation of goods into that 'harbour would be under the jurisdiction of the board of transport commissioners. I believe they will continue under the jurisdiction of that board, inasmuch as it has 'been given jurisdiction by the Transport Act of 1938. This change will not affect the movement of goods into or out of the port of Toronto by water.

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NAT

Douglas Gooderham Ross

National Government

Mr. ROSS (St. Paul's):

As I understand it, the 'harbour commissioners have the regulation of all traffic in the harbour.

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LIB

Joseph Enoil Michaud (Minister of Transport)

Liberal

Mr. MICHAUD:

That is correct.

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Douglas Gooderham Ross

National Government

Mr. ROSS (St. Paul's):

We shall now have two controls in Toronto harbour. The board connected with civil aviation will now come into the picture and, I suppose, will make regulations. I understand that the harbour commissioners will have to carry those out. Is that correct? Who will have the final say in the matter?

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Some hon. MEMBERS:

Carried.

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Gordon Graydon (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. GRAYDON:

I thought the minister was going to answer.

Mr. ROS'S (St: Paul's): I thought so, too. I should like to know something about it, as to how it is to be arranged.

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LIB

Clarence Decatur Howe (Minister of Munitions and Supply)

Liberal

Mr. HOWE:

May I explain the air matter. The owner of an airport who is also the operator of the airport, has charge of traffic on that airport. But there are certain rules of the air laid down by the air transport board, and those rules must be obeyed. They are made in the interests of safety, and the operator of an airport must carry them out. If an airport is licensed, to maintain that licence it must live up to the traffic and safety rules laid dlown by the air transport board. Similarly, railroads must operate according to safety regulations laid down by the board of transport commissioners, and marine traffic must be regulated in the interest of safety, according to the rules laid down by the Department of Transport at Ottawa.

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Section agreed to. Sections 12 and 13 agreed to. Bill reported. At eleven o'clock the house adjourned, without question put, pursuant to standing order. Tuesday, July 18, 1944


July 17, 1944