July 11, 1944

VACANCY

RESIGNATION OF MEMBER FOB ELECTORAL DISTRICT OF BEAUCE

LIB

Thomas Vien (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER:

I have the honour to

inform the house that I have received the resignation of Edouard Lacroix, Esquire, as member for the electoral district of Beauce. I have accordingly issued my warrant to the chief electoral officer to make out a new writ of election for the said electoral district.

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PRIVATE BILLS COMMITTEE


Fifth report of standing committee on miscellaneous private bills.-Mr. Picard.


BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE

WEDNESDAY SITTINGS

LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Right Hon. W. L. MACKENZIE KING (Prime Minister):

I should like to substitute for the motion that is on the order paper the following:

That on and after Wednesday, July 12, until the end of the session, the house shall not .be adjourned on Wednesday at six o'clock, notwithstanding anything in standing order No. 6.

I may say that the motion as it appears on the order paper would preclude us from carrying on the understanding we had about Wednesday afternoons and the motion as it is now put will continue the same procedure on Wednesday afternoons as we have been following; that is to say, that members of the war committee would be free to attend meetings of that committee on Wednesday and not be expected to be in the house.

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NAT

Thomas Langton Church

National Government

Mr. CHURCH:

Why pick on the 12th of July?

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NAT

Gordon Graydon (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. GORDON GRAYDON (Leader of the Opposition):

In view of the situation which has now arisen with respect to the change in sitting hours, I would ask the Prime Minister if the government would not permit some slight modification of the previous arrangement in regard to Wednesdays, so that the orders of the day may be called. If that were done, with the understanding that as usual there will be no divisions that day, perhaps that would be satisfactory as far as we are concerned.

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

That means we would have questions and so on?

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NAT

Richard Burpee Hanson

National Government

Mr. HANSON (York-Sunbury):

Yes. Why not? That is what you started out to do.

LMr. Shaw.]

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

I believe hon. members have found it a little more expeditious to proceed at once on Wednesdays with the business; to have one day when the house is not liable to be held up by questions or motions. I would say to my hon. friends that it would be embarrassing to members of the government if they were not in the house in the event of certain motions being moved on Wednesday afternoons. It will be necessary for the members of the war committee to continue to meet on Wednesday afternoons as they have met in the past.

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NAT

Richard Burpee Hanson

National Government

Hon. R. B. HANSON (York-Sunbury):

I am sure there is no desire to embarrass the government or the war committee of the cabinet; I want the Prime Minister to understand that at the very outset of any remarks I have to make. The arrangement entered into early in the session, on the Prime Minister's own initiative, under which the house did not sit on Wednesday, did not work out as he had anticipated. So far as I am concerned, and I think so far as most of the private members of this house are concerned it was a day wasted.' The Prime Minister then permitted the business to be dealt with on Wednesday afternoons, and that has continued up to the present time. Now, near the end of the session, he brings in a very proper motion that the order of business on Wednesday shall be the same as on other days. That is the motion on the order paper, but for some reason, which he suggests as being interference with the cabinet or the war committee, he wants to take away from private members on Wednesdays one of the few privileges remaining to them. I do protest against that limitation, and others I could mention. This notice of motion on the order paper is the proper notice that should be given if we are to cariy on the business of the house in a proper way. Evidently the government have had a change of heart and a change of mind, but I do not believe they are justified in attempting to take away from private members at this late stage of the session, one of their few remaining privileges.

I protest against it.

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

There has been no change of heart or of mind on the part of the government. As a matter of fact if I had not intervened yesterday, at the time I spoke of the house sitting Wednesday evenings, I believe the motion would have been put at that time and what I am now suggesting would have been adopted. I asked that a motion be placed upon the order paper providing that the house would resume its sittings on Wednesday evenings. I did not

Mobilization Act

see the motion until I was coming into the house. I then sent for the Clerk, and pointed out to him that the motion appearing on the order paper would make it necessary for members of the war committee to be in the house Wednesday afternoons; that I felt it imperative that we should have Wednesday afternoons for the meetings of the war committee; I asked the Clerk to give me a substitute motion which would permit the proceedings on Wednesday afternoons being carried on as they have been since hon. gentlemen opposite were kind enough to make what they said was a constructive suggestion, that by omitting questions on the orders of the day we would save a great deal of time. I thanked my 'hon. friends for the suggestion at the time; I should like to continue to thank them for making it possible to have the house carry on as they originally suggested. It is in every way preferable that we should save time which, as hon. members know, is liable to be taken up with questions and unexpected matters which otherwise would come up on Wednesday afternoon. If hon. members are desirous of having the business of the house drag on; if that is their real wish, for my part I do not mind if I stay here until the month of December. I am prepared to remain in this house and follow its proceedings to the end, but I do think everyone is anxious to expedite business, and that has been the sole motive in presenting these motions.

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NAT

Grote Stirling

National Government

Hon. GROTE STIRLING (Yale):

May I ask that a definite understanding be arrived at in regard to divisions on Wednesdays?

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

There are to be none. '

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Grote Stirling

National Government

Mr. STIRLING:

There are to be no divisions? Are we to understand that this will also cover votes in committee? A couple of Wednesdays ago an incident arose which made me wonder whether that general understanding was supposed to cover votes in committee.

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

My understanding was that any contentious question would be postponed, that we would not have a division that day. It had better be the definite understanding in regard to both divisions and votes in committee. It is just a matter of dropping the particular item for the time being, and taking it up at a subsequent time.

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NAT

Grote Stirling

National Government

Mr. STIRLING:

But that does not cover the matter of committees.

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July 11, 1944