May 12, 1944

SC

James Alexander Marshall

Social Credit

Mr. MARSHALL:

I should like to know the number of circuits in each province, and also the average number of points that axe covered in a circuit.

Mr. LaFLECHE: Each circuit comprises at least twenty different points a month. But I shall bring down this information.

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Thomas Reid

Liberal

Mr. REID:

I do not like to delay the committee, but a statement was made by the Minister of Mines and Resources which I do not feel like allowing to pass without contradiction. Speaking of my own province, he stated that he could not find on the news stands any newspapers from Winnipeg or Toronto. Let me tell him that the people of British Columbia know more about the other provinces than the people living in any other province, because people living in other provinces usually come to British Columbia, and show their good sense in doing so; we have that kind of province. As for the minister not being able to get a newspaper from Winnipeg or Toronto, I guarantee that I could take him to fifty news stands which would give him any paper he wants from any province.

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Thomas Alexander Crerar (Minister of Mines and Resources)

Liberal

Mr. CRERAR:

I can assure the hon. member for New Westminster that the statement I made was a correct one. My visit on that occasion was a good many years ago. I am delighted to know that the west coast has made such substantial progress since that time.

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Leslie Gordon Bell

Mr. COLD WELL:

I did not quite catch the carrying of that item. I was going to ask about trade union films, because I think we should have some knowledge of what is being done in that regard. I believe a great

deal has been done in the past by the showing of films and so on, and I think we should try to get a picture of this both for ourselves and for the country through the record. There have, I believe, been industrial and trade union circuits. What are they, And what do they do?

Mr. LaFLECHE: The film board operates ten trade union circuits and forty industrial circuits. They are in close touch with those immediately concerned, and with their cooperation, these circuits have been formed and, I understand, operate very successfully.

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SC

James Alexander Marshall

Social Credit

Mr. MARSHALL:

How can one get one of these circuits? What has one to do in order to get one of these circuits operating?

Mr. LaFLECHE: The interested party should write direct to the national film board, stating the requirements, the points to be covered, and that will receive immediate consideration.

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James Alexander Marshall

Social Credit

Mr. MARSHALL:

Is there any guarantee-

Mr. LaFLECHE: There should be a correct description and all the necessities should be set out with full explanations.

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Victor Quelch

Social Credit

Mr. QUELCH:

Should the proposal be made by some organization, or can it be made by a private individual?

Mr. LaFLECHE: From a school or from some well-known person, a resident.

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Leslie Gordon Bell

Mr. COLD WELL:

Or a member of parliament?

Mr. LaFLECHE: Yes, of course.

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Item agreed to. Sundry services, $69,080.


NAT

Howard Charles Green

National Government

Mr. GREEN:

There does not seem to be an item in the minister's estimates for what was known as the government office economies control. If the minister will Temember, that subject was dealt with rather fully last year in consequence of the resignation of Colonel John Thompson from the position of director of that particular division. Will the minister tell us whether or not that division has been allowed to die out? If not, what is the position at the present time?

Mr. LaFLECHE: During the last year the division has made remarkable progress. It has achieved a very high success in effecting economies in government departments. The director, a capable civil servant, who has been in the service for many years-

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Howard Charles Green

National Government

Mr. GREEN:

Who is that?

Mr. LaFLECHE: Mr. T. P. Murphy. He does it without extra remuneration. He is an

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War Appropriation-War Services

employee of the Post Office Department and, working after hours as his war job, he carries out this work. He has had remarkable success and has gained the confidence and good will besides the entire cooperation of a number of civil servants in each of the departments. He has formed an interdepartmental committee. It attends at his office and holds joint meetings, and there is a great interchange of information. There has arisen, I presume, some friendly rivalry, because it is noticeable that those concerned in the several departments have now learned well what can be done by way of economy. They themselves do much of the work which otherwise would have to be done by the director. They follow Mr. Murphy and he gives them full credit for their own success. The situation is excellent.

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Howard Charles Green

National Government

Mr. GREEN:

Is it a one-man show? Is Mr. Murphy the whole division of the government office economies control?

Mr. LaFLECHE: The complete staff comprises: Mr. T. P. Murphy, acting director of government office economies control, no salary; Mr. S. McCartney, estimating and printing adviser, $3,000 a year; Mr. H. J. Joyce, clerk grade two, $1,320; Mr. G. Rheaume, clerk grade three, $1,380; Mrs. Kiely, typist grade two, $1,080; and Miss Pazzkowski, clerk grade one, $780; total salary list, $8,340 with $780 war supplements.

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Howard Charles Green

National Government

Mr. GREEN:

What vote does that come under?

Mr. LaFLECHE: It is in the sundry vote. The total is $10,885.

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Howard Charles Green

National Government

Mr. GREEN:

The original order in council gave Colonel Thompson drastic powers to control expenditures. I understand from what the minister says to-night that expenses are now saved by cooperation rather than by direction. Is that the case?

Mr. LaFLECHE: I said earlier this evening that Mr. Murphy of the economies control has been an immense success. He has gained the confidence and has a widening circle of convincible public servants who are carrying on the work, not only under* instruction but by conviction and by a knowledge of what can be done. The authority here is the order in council so much commented upon last year. It is somewhat painful to go back a year ago-not painful to the department,

however, but to a gentleman whose name was brought into prominence, not for his own sake but for other and, I am afraid, not worthy motives.

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Howard Charles Green

National Government

Mr. GREEN:

What does the minister mean by that?

Mr. LaFLECHE: Because they were making a play on him. They were inviting the gentleman-and he is a gentleman-into public notice, with the result that he would make certain statements that would appear as we would read them, and make him unhappy. I am sure it did not assist him in the performance of his duty.

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May 12, 1944