May 5, 1944


On the orders of the day:


PC

John George Diefenbaker

Progressive Conservative

Mr. J. G. DIEFENBAKER (Lake Centre):

I should like to ask the Minister of Munitions and Supply a question with regard to a press reference to the fact that the Cherrier munitions plant, heretofore operated under the management of Canadian Car Munitions Limited, is about to be turned over for management to Defence Industries Limited. Is the minister in position to explain the reason for this change?

Topic:   SHELL FILLING PLANTS
Subtopic:   CHERRIER MUNITIONS
Sub-subtopic:   DEFENCE INDUSTRIES-LIMITED
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LIB

Clarence Decatur Howe (Minister of Munitions and Supply)

Liberal

Hon. C. D. HOWE (Minister of Munitions and Supply):

The change is simply a redistribution of management. The Canadian Car and Foundry company are operating a number of munitions plants. Recently they have been called upon to open shell capacity that has been closed and they have also suffered the loss of their general manager by death. Canadian Car Munitions asked to be relieved of the operation of this particular plant. The other shell filling plant is operated by Defence Industries Limited and after some pressure Defence Industries Limited agreed to extend its responsibilities to the operation of the Cherrier plant. The advantage of the new arrangement of having all shell filling plants under one management is that the allocation of work to the plants will be simplified.

War Appropriation-Labour

Topic:   SHELL FILLING PLANTS
Subtopic:   CHERRIER MUNITIONS
Sub-subtopic:   DEFENCE INDUSTRIES-LIMITED
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WAR APPROPRIATION BILL

PROVISION FOR GRANTING TO HIS MAJESTY AID FOR NATIONAL DEFENCE AND SECURITY


The house resumed from Thursday, May 4, consideration in committee of a resolution to grant to His Majesty certain sums of money for the carrying out of measures consequent upon the existence of a state of war-Mr, Ilsley-Mr. Bradette in the chair.


DEPARTMENT OF LABOUR


Vocational training for discharged members of Canada's armed forces, including undischarged commitments of previous years, $780,000.


NAT

John Ritchie MacNicol

National Government

Mr. MacNICOL:

In regard to the latter part of this item, "including undischarged commitments of previous years", may I ask why these commitments of previous years were undischarged?

Topic:   DEPARTMENT OF LABOUR
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LIB

Humphrey Mitchell (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. MITCHELL:

The undischarged commitments amount to $30,000.

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NAT

John Ritchie MacNicol

National Government

Mr. MacNICOL:

Then this item of $780,000 consists of one item for $750,000, and an item of $30,000 for undischarged commitments of previous years-is that it?

Topic:   DEPARTMENT OF LABOUR
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LIB

Humphrey Mitchell (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. MITCHELL:

Yes. Yesterday the hon. member for Qu'Appelle asked a question as to assistance being given to shoemakers taking a course in his province. While this matter comes under the Department of Pensions and National Health, we thought it would be just as well to give an answer to the question to-day. Such assistance is available under section 7 of our post-discharge order, which authorizes the minister to pay a weekly maintenance grant to veterans engaging in an enterprise of their own and awaiting returns from it. No provision exists at the moment for the advancement of capital to enable them to set themselves up in business, but this question is at present under consideration by a subcommittee of a general advisory committee. The member for Qu'Appelle wanted to know if any promises had been made to the particular soldiers to whom he referred last evening as to giving them assistance in setting themselves up in business.

The hon. member for Battle River asked what percentage of the returned soldiers who have taken vocational training have found employment. The answer is that there is not the slightest difficulty in finding employment for those who have been trained. The training is objective in character and directed towards specific employment opportunities.

The hon. member for Vancouver South asked about vocational training in the hospitals. Vocational training in the full sense of the term is not and never has been given in

[Mr Howe.]

active treatment hospitals. . Occupational therapy, including handicrafts, is provided by the department for the restoration of lost or impaired functions. When the men reach the stage where they are physically capable of undertaking a course in vocational training, they will be ready for discharge to convalescent or reconditioning centres, where adequate provision is being made for training courses. In the meantime they can learn the principles of the trade in which they are interested through the medium either of correspondence courses available through this department or Canadian Legion textbooks. I stated that 3,000 have availed themselves of training; it should be 3,001.

The hon. member for Humboldt asked a question with reference to assistance to students, and with the permission of the committee I would ask to have this table printed in Hansard.

Topic:   DEPARTMENT OF LABOUR
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LIB

Joseph-Arthur Bradette (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

The CHAIRMAN:

With the unanimous consent of the committee.

(The table appears on following page.)

Topic:   DEPARTMENT OF LABOUR
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NAT

Ernest Edward Perley

National Government

Mr. PERLEY:

The minister has replied

[DOT]to one of the questions I asked last night with reference to assistance to those taking a particular course. I have a letter here from one of the vocational training superintendents in Ottawa, which states that depending on the length of service it may be possible to give assistance to trainees who start up their own business, under benefit No. 3. I have not the pamphlet under my hand from which I quoted last night, but I assume that under that benefit they would be eligible for the assistance in setting themselves up in business which they certainly understood they were going to get.

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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of Pensions and National Health)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver Centre):

Yes. I understood my hon. friend to say that this course, was only a four months' course. They are entitled to a total of fifty-two weeks, and if they do not exhaust all the benefits of vocational training they are then entitled to benefit No. 3 while they are awaiting returns from the enterprise. That is the additional assistance my hon. friend referred to last night.

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CCF

Stanley Howard Knowles (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. KNOWLES:

Has the Minister of

Labour secured the information I asked for a week ago to-day, when I suggested that the statistics on page 799 of Hansard as to the total applicants registered at employment offices be brought up to date?

Topic:   DEPARTMENT OF LABOUR
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LIB

Humphrey Mitchell (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. MITCHELL:

I have those figures

here, if my hon. friend would like to have them.

Topic:   DEPARTMENT OF LABOUR
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ASSISTANCE TO STUDENTS 1943-44


Dominion-Provincial Fund * General Section Medi- cine Den- tistry Engineering Science For- estry Hospital Nurses Teachers Technical School Students Provincial Funds Dominion Funds 1st Year Other Years 1st Year Other Years Grants Loans Grants Loanss s * $1 2 350.00 350.005 18 4 3 43 6,905.00 6,905.00.21 4 6 17 5 1 31 12,312 50 12,312 53111 117 33 47 107 122 100 12 80 154 50,522.38 38,254.87 50,522.38 38,254.872 25 3 1 2 6,007.50 6,007.5032 43 1 25 31 11 6 19 366 11,505.00 6,111.50 11.535.00 6,111.5014 14 10 40 2 9 22 25 8,892.50 8,892.50 42 65 9 38 30 12 12 2 64 24,923.00 24,923.00 Special Dominion Fund 21 10 17 7 7 1 1,925.00 17.842,002 1 1 3 1,800 004 2,750.003 3 9 3 150.00 4,395.002 3 18 1 10 1,745.00 5,725 007 350.00 1,235.0028 4 2,925.00 7,647.0049 5 55 5,715.00 42,461.00University of Toronto 47 23 8 49 6 2 6,699.00 30,724 00207 446 91 157 395 16S 178 19 123 529 154 95,842.88 69,941.37 115,351.88 166,520.37Total Disbursements $ 447,656.50Total Number of Students 2,467 * Provides a limited amount for students in any year, in any faculty-mainly Agriculture, Home Economics and Arts. The upper half shows assistance given under Cooperative Student Aid Schedules of the Youth Training Agreements. The lower half shows assistance given under Special Dominion Agreement with funds from War Appropriation. > k: to War Appropriation-Labour ' War Appropriation-Labour


CCF

Stanley Howard Knowles (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. KNOWLES:

Can they not be placed

on the record? ,

Topic:   ASSISTANCE TO STUDENTS 1943-44
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May 5, 1944