May 5, 1944

NAT

Percy Chapman Black

National Government

Mr. BLACK (Cumberland):

I would ask the minister, in connection with this item of $250,000, how many men were drawn from the armed services and put back in the mines of Nova Scotia during the last fiscal year. Also how many were taken from other industries and put back in the mines of Nova Scotia, and how many, if any, were taken from the farms and put in the mines? I should also like to know how many men who were called up under the National Resources Mobilization

War Appropriation-Labour

Act for military service, were assigned to the mines, work in the mines, being given priority over the military service they would otherwise have undertaken.

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LIB

Humphrey Mitchell (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. MITCHELL:

We have not the figures broken down in that form, but the number of ex-coal miners returned from the armed services to the coal mines to March 15, 1944, was 2,144; the number of ex-coal miner workers returned to the mines under P.C. 4092 to March 15, was 2,276; the number of persons directed to mines under P.C. 4861 and P.C. 6077 to March 15 was 485.

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NAT

Percy Chapman Black

National Government

Mr. BLACK (Cumberland):

Are those figures for Nova Scotia mines?

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LIB

Humphrey Mitchell (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. MITCHELL:

We have not the figures broken down by provinces. I would be glad to -get that for my hon. friend.

The net result was this: Number of coal mine workers on payrolls June 1, 1943 was 24,864, and at March 15, 1944 was 27,816, an increase of 2,952 workers, or 12 per cent.

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Item agreed to. Sundry services, $179,805.


NAT

Ernest Edward Perley

National Government

Mr. PERLEY:

Mr. Chairman, we took a long while on item 12 and then items 13 and 14 were passed so quickly I did not have an opportunity to ask a question. May I be permitted to revert back to item 13?

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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of Pensions and National Health)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver Centre):

Ask the question on this last item for sundry services.

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NAT

Ernest Edward Perley

National Government

Mr. PERLEY:

Would the minister state what amount of assistance was given to each province in farm recruiting, and what was the nature of the services performed, and the amount paid for transportation?

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LIB

Humphrey Mitchell (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. MITCHELL:

Here is a summary of expenditures under "assistance to provinces in recruiting, transporting and placing labourers on farms" to March 31, 1944.

Nova Scotia

New Brunswick $ 3,626 17

Prince Edward Island

2,030 67Quebec

8,982 63Ontario

130,970 88Manitoba

20,187 31Saskatchewan

78,314 37Alberta

12,613 89British Columbia

Transportation Of farm workers

(general) 181,320 70

Total $438,046 62

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NAT

Ernest Edward Perley

National Government

Mr. PERLEY:

How many were placed on the farm in Saskatchewan under this assistance?

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LIB

Humphrey Mitchell (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. MITCHELL:

I have not the information under my hand, but I could get it for my hon. friend.

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CCF

Stanley Howard Knowles (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. KNOWLES:

I have been looking over the items to find the appropriate one on which to ask a question with reference to labour-management production committees.

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LIB

Humphrey Mitchell (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. MITCHELL:

That comes under this item.

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CCF

Stanley Howard Knowles (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. KNOWLES:

I am sure that the minister will agree with me that the most satsifactory kind of labour-management arrangement is that which is effected by collective bargaining. Yet there are cases where collective bargaining is not in effect and where the next best thing is to have a labour-mangement production committee. Would the minister make a brief statement as to the activities of his department in encouraging these committees and as to what success he has had? He might also tell us whether the Department of Labour maintains any liaison with other departments of government to encourage government-owned enterprises and government controllers to adopt this principle.

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LIB

Humphrey Mitchell (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. MITCHELL:

Speaking from memory, I believe a committee was set up under the chairmanship of Mr. Goldenberg of the Department of Munitions and Supply. Mr. H. J. Carmichael, director of war production, is also a member of the committee; Mr. Percy Bengough, President of the Trades and Labour Congress of Canada; Mr. Pat Conroy, of the Canadian Congress of Labour, and Mr. J. A. Parent, representing the National Catholic Syndicates, are among the members of the advisory committee. That committee has this matter under its advisement. There are also permanent officials in the Department of Labour appointed since I have been minister, whose duty it is to foster the development of these committees. I agree with my hon. friend in the principle of labour-management committees, but the feeling even in the labour movement and among employers is not unanimous about such committees. Even in Great Britain they have not been set up by law; there is no compulsory cooperation. At the present time in the mines of Nova Scotia an attempt is being made through my department to establish these committees in conjunction with the employers and employees there. I tabled a return, I think it was last session, of the number of committees that were operating in the Dominion of Canada; there now are 160. My hon. friend can rest assured that as far as the Department of Labour and other departments of government, and the parent bodies of the labour organizations in this country, are concerned, they are moving with expedition in the direction to which my hon. friend referred.

War Appropriation-Labour

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CCF

Stanley Howard Knowles (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. KNOWLES:

May I say a further word in connection with the latter part of my question? Perhaps I can put the matter more clearly by bringing to the minister's attention a case with which I am familiar. I shall not give the name of the firm because I merely want to quote the circumstances as an example.

I know of a private firm which happens to be under the direction of a government controller. The firm has no collective agreement with its employees, although the employees have sought it. When they found that there was delay in arriving at a collective agreement, as a second best they made inquiries as to whether the management, namely the controller, would consider the setting up of a labour-management committee. To my knowledge, to date that has not been done in this particular firm. My reason for quoting that case is to ask the minister whether his department takes any particular pains to bring to the attention of government controllers the desirability of labour-management committees where collective agreements are not arrived at.

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LIB

Humphrey Mitchell (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. MITCHELL:

I do not know whether my hon. friend is asking for information or wants to make a speech. I do not know the company. If my hon. friend would give me the name of the company I should be glad to look into the matter, but he can see the position I . am in. He has talked about somebody who wants one of these committees and somebody who does not want them. I should be glad if my hon. friend would give me the name of the organization, and I will look into the matter and see if there is an opportunity of establishing one of these committees, if there is agreement on both sides.

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CCF

Stanley Howard Knowles (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. KNOWLES:

I will give the minister the name of the company privately. My reason for not mentioning it here is that I wanted to be informed on a matter of policy and principle rather than to name a particular firm, at least for the present.

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Item agreed to. Progress reported. At eleven o'clock the house adjourned, without question put, pursuant to standing order. Monday, May 8, 1944


May 5, 1944