March 24, 1944

LIB

Humphrey Mitchell (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. MITCHELL:

May I remind the hon. member for Weyburn (Mr. Douglas) that two sessions ago we passed a bill concerning vocational education which had a much wider coverage than the resolution we are discussing this evening. This question has been raised, and I think these things should be answered. It has been stated that in this country education is a monopoly of the rich. I disagree with that statement. That is the sort of thing that inflames public opinion from one end of this country to the other. I suggest to the hon. member for Yorkton that it would be just too bad for the Cooperative Commonwealth Federation party if education had been the monopoly of the rich, for I understand that the leader of his party is a university graduate, and a good scholar too. I do not think a statement like the one I have mentioned is warranted, particularly when one looks around the benches of this House of Commons.

I just wanted to answer those points while I was on my feet, Mr. Speaker; I am not going to detain the house longer. I should have been glad to give an historical review of technical education in this country, in which I have taken some interest and in the establishment of which I have played some small part. I hope this measure will pass quickly, for the province of Manitoba needs the money. I would say to the hon. member for Gaspe (Mr. Roy) that his province availed itself of its full quota under the legislation, and the only province that still has to make use of its allocation is Manitoba. I hope hon. members will grant the request of that province with due expedition this evening.

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CCF

Stanley Howard Knowles (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. KNOWLES:

Will the minister answer the question as to why-

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LIB

Thomas Vien (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER:

In committee.

Motion agreed to and the house went into committee, Mr. Bradette in the chair.

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CCF

Stanley Howard Knowles (Whip of the Co-operative Commonwealth Federation)

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. KNOWLES:

Will the minister explain, if he can, why Manitoba did not use its portion of this money; and while he is answering that will he say whether he has any assurance that Manitoba will now take this money and make good use of it?

Technical Education Act

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LIB

Humphrey Mitchell (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. MITCHELL:

I am sorry I cannot speak for the province. I think my hon. friend had better ask Manitoba that question.

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NAT

Grote Stirling

National Government

Mr. STIRLING:

Can the minister place on record the division of the 810,000,000 as between the provinces, and can he give the committee an idea of the rapidity with which the provinces claimed their portion of it, so that we may have an idea as to how popular this training was province by province?

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LIB

Humphrey Mitchell (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. MITCHELL:

I have it all before me; it covers a period of twenty-five years, and probably it would take ten minutes to read, but I think it would be all to the good to have it on record, and with the permission of the committee I should be glad to do so.

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NAT

Grote Stirling

National Government

Mr. STIRLING:

That would be satisfactory.

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CCF

Thomas Clement (Tommy) Douglas

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. DOUGLAS (Weyburn):

I think the hon. member for Winnipeg North Centre asked the minister a perfectly civil question.

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LIB

Humphrey Mitchell (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. MITCHELL:

I thought I gave a civil answer.

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CCF

Thomas Clement (Tommy) Douglas

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. DOUGLAS (Weyburn):

The answer was civil, but no one expected the minister to speak for the province of Manitoba. I think the committee has a perfect right to know that the province of Manitoba asked that this unexpended portion be revoted, and surely they must have given the minister some asssurance that they intend to make good and proper use of it.

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LIB

Humphrey Mitchell (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. MITCHELL:

The only request we

received was that they anticipated they might spend it. That is the usual request one gets under such circumstances.

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SC

Charles Edward Johnston

Social Credit

Mr. JOHNSTON (Bow River):

Is there

not some way in which the federal government can check up on the provinces, to see whether this money is being properly spent? After all, when the federal government grants money it should have some means of checking up to see whether or not it is being properly spent. In respect of Manitoba, has any check been made to see whether they have made a proper expenditure?

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LIB

Humphrey Mitchell (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. MITCHELL:

I can assure my hon.

friend that the federal government spends no money without a proper check. The legislation provides for the manner in which the money shall be spent, and I touched upon that point this evening. If my hon. friend would read the act I think he would find that every precaution is taken that the money shall be spent properly in the various provinces.

Resolution reported, read the second time and concurred in. Mr. Mitchell thereupon moved for leave to introduce bill No. 41, to amend the Technical Education Act.

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Motion agreed to, bill read the first and second times, and the house went into committee thereon, Mr. Bradette in the chair. Section 1 agreed to. On section 2-disposition of unexpended balances.


NAT

Gordon Graydon (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. GRAYDON:

I have not had an opportunity to check the phraseology of the bill with previous bills passed with respect to this subject. Can the minister assure the committee that this 'bill is in exactly the same form as previous bills, with the exception of the years involved?

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LIB

Humphrey Mitchell (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. MITCHELL:

I cannot answer that: I askume it is the same. The same principle is involved.

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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of Pensions and National Health)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver Centre):

The explanatory note indicates that.

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LIB

Humphrey Mitchell (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. MITCHELL:

There is no explanation on the other page.

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LIB

Jean-François Pouliot

Liberal

Mr. POULIOT:

I wonder how this section could apply only to Manitoba, because Manitoba is not mentioned1 in the bill?

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March 24, 1944