March 10, 1944

CCF

Thomas Clement (Tommy) Douglas

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. DOUGLAS (Weyburn):

I am not

claiming to quote from the Vancouver Sun.

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LIB

Walter Adam Tucker

Liberal

Mr. TUCKER:

Yes, you are.

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LIB

James Lester Douglas

Liberal

Mr. DOUGLAS (Weybum):

I am claiming to quote from an article by the. secretary of the C.C.F. party in British Columbia, an open letter which was sent to the Vancouver Sun, in the course of which-

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LIB

Walter Adam Tucker

Liberal

Mr. TUCKER:

I rise to a point of order. The hon. member is reading a letter in which the writer purports to be quoting frpm the Vancouver Sun. Now, if the hon. member is not taking the responsibility for the correctness of that quotation in the letter in question he should not read it in the house . I submit to you, Mr. Speaker, that he cannot claim that he is not quoting from the Vancouver Sun by saying that he is reading from, a letter which purports to be quoting from the Vancouver Sun. That is hearsay twice removed and I object to that sort of thing.

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CCF

Thomas Clement (Tommy) Douglas

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. DOUGLAS (Weyburn):

I am not

claiming to quote from, the Vancouver Sun at all. I am quoting from a letter which appeared in the Vancouver Sun.

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LIB

Joseph-Arthur Bradette (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. DEPUTY SPEAKER:

Is the hon. member speaking to the point of order?

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CCF

Thomas Clement (Tommy) Douglas

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. DOUGLAS (Weyburn):

There is no

point of order.

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LIB

Joseph-Arthur Bradette (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. DEPUTY SPEAKER:

A point of order has been raised by the hon. member for Rosthern. (Mr. Tucker). .

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CCF

Thomas Clement (Tommy) Douglas

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. DOUGLAS (Weyburn):

My point, Mr. Speaker, is that I am not quoting from the Vancouver Sun. I am quoting from a letter sent to the Vancouver Sun which denies a statement which appeared in. the Vancouver Sun, and I have the right to place it on the record. I intend to do so.

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LIB

Joseph-Arthur Bradette (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. DEPUTY SPEAKER:

The hon, member for Rosthern objects to the fact that the letter written by the secretary of the C.C.F. party in British Columbia has not been quoted in its entirety by the hon. member who is now speaking. I rule that the whole letter should be put on the record.

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LIB

James Lester Douglas

Liberal

Mr. DOUGLAS (Weybum):

I shall be glad to put it all on. The letter reads:

Moreover, it was not confirmed in any way by the accompanying story of your correspondent, James Dyer.

On June 11, the Calgary Herald, dealing editorially with a visit to that city by the C.C.F. leader, Harold Winch, said that one of the "planks" of the C.C.F. platform was "collective agriculture by the institution of methods of collective farming, such as have featured Soviet Russia's system." The Calgary Herald did not acknowledge the Vancouver Sun as the authority for this statement, but it is obvious that your report of April 19 was quoted.

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Citing this false report, the Calgary Herald said: "The C.C.F. party uses the term of cooperative farms, but what is meant is cooperative farms established on the Russian model, in which the state will possess ownership and the farmers work as hirelings."

During the recent Revelstoke byelection the Coalition reprinted the Calgary Herald editorial and distributed it at Revelstoke in an endeavour to dissuade the people of Revelstoke from voting C.C.F.

The truth is that the provincial policy statement adopted by the recent C.C.F. convention said this: "Cooperative farms in these lines and in those areas where they will lower production cost must be encouraged, and production costs of such cooperative farms will become a yardstick by which to set the price level."

The letter is signed by F. J. MacKenzie, British Columbia secretary of the C.C.F. The point I want to make is that the hon. member for Rosthern, the Minister of Pensions and National Health (Mr. Mackenzie), and the leader of the opposition (Mr. Graydon), all said the other night that they could bring clippings to the house. I believe the minister was going to bring fifty.

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An hon. MEMBER:

He will bring them if he said so.

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CCF

Thomas Clement (Tommy) Douglas

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. DOUGLAS (Weyburn):

He said a great many things. However, the amazing thing is that these three gentlemen are lawyers and any one of them must know that they would not be allowed to go into court and produce as evidence a newspaper clipping of something that was alleged to have been said or that was alleged to be the stand of a political party. If any one of these gentlemen wants to find out what the C.C.F. policy on agriculture is, all he has to do is to secure a copy of the C.C.F. programme-*

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NAT

Gordon Graydon (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. GRAYDON:

It is a little more difficult than that.

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CCF

Thomas Clement (Tommy) Douglas

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. DOUGLAS (Weyburn):

-and to quote from it accurately instead of quoting from a distortion of the truth such as one might find in some newspaper articles. I have here-

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LIB

Walter Adam Tucker

Liberal

Mr. TUCKER:

My hon. friend says that we should look for their platform. Where is their platform?

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CCF

Thomas Clement (Tommy) Douglas

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. DOUGLAS (Weyburn):

If the hon. member for Rosthern is so anxious to know what the programme of the C.C.F. is, he will have no difficulty in finding out. I shall be glad to give him a copy at any time. I have in my hand the C.C.F. programme for British Columbia, which is the programme to which he referred, and which was passed at the convention in question in April, 1943. Here is

the entire section on agriculture, and I invite the hon. member for Rosthern and the other hon. gentlemen who are influenced by what they read in the Vancouver Sun, without taking the trouble to verify what they read, to examine this programme and see if they can find anywhere in it any statement suggesting collectivized farming.

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LIB

Gerald Grattan McGeer

Liberal

Mr. McGEER:

I rise to a point of order. I do not wish to interrupt my hon. friend, but we are on the industrial development bank, and I believe that the house will agree that banking problems are complex and difficult enough in themselves, so that if we are going to mix in with that difficulty the policy of the C.C.F. and its relation to the land policy of the Soviet Union, I am afraid we shall lose sight of the bank bill altogether.

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CCF

Thomas Clement (Tommy) Douglas

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. DOUGLAS (Weyburn):

I agree that the question of the collectivization of land is not relevant to the industrial development bank, but I would point out that it was just as irrelevant last Tuesday evening.

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LIB

Gerald Grattan McGeer

Liberal

Mr. McGEER:

Two wrongs do not make a right.

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March 10, 1944