March 9, 1944

CCF

Major James William Coldwell

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. COLDWELL:

It is all very well to laugh, but I did not do it deliberately. I never do. My references in the house were based on the questions I asked during the

debate in this house in April, 1940, when I understood it was admitted that the government did know of this and had approved it. Permits had to be given, as I take it.

Topic:   GRANBY MINING CORPORATION
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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

I do not think so, but I shall make sure.

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CCF

Major James William Coldwell

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. COLDWELL:

The correspondence says so.

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

My hon. friend says he has read the correspondence, and if he says that the correspondence so states, I will be prepared to take his word for it.

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CCF

Major James William Coldwell

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. COLDWELL:

I shall read it again.

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

Does my hon. friend say that the correspondence says that permits had to be granted?

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CCF

Major James William Coldwell

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. COLDWELL:

I believe it does; it says that a permit is required.

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

I do not think it does. We shall look up the facts, anyway.

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CCF

Major James William Coldwell

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. COLDWELL:

In view of the exchange between the Prime Minister and myself a few minutes ago, I would refer him again to copy of letter of December 4, 1940, signed by Doctor

O. D. Skelton, the last sentence of which reads:

Like all such contracts, its performance was subject to the general conditions of the public interest, and it ceased to be binding when the copper requirements of Canada and her allies compelled the Canadian government to withhold further permits for the export of copper from Canada to other countries.

So that p'ermits were required up to that time.

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

I would still like to look into that and see if a system of permits was in existence as early as 1940. I know there was a period when permits were required, but whether it was at that time or not I am not wholly sure.

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EXPORTS TO SPAIN

STATEMENT AS TO NON-SHIPMENT OF WAR MATERIALS FROM CANADA

LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Right Hon. W. L. MACKENZIE KING (Prime Minister):

On Tuesday the hon. member for Winnipeg North Centre (Mr. Knowles) asked me to look into the matter of shipments of war materials from Canada to Spain in view of the rumours concerning such shipments which apparently have been circulated in the United States. I have now had the matter investigated, and I can inform the house that exports from Canada to Spain in recent years have been negligible. In 1943 they were valued at $169,021. The chief product was

Columbia River Basin

short fibre asbestos and asbestos waste used for making building materials.

All shipments to Spain must pass through the allied blockade and must therefore be cleared through the blockade controls. The allied nations obtain from Spain supplies of mercury, wolfram, cork and' other materials which are needed for our war effort or which it is desired to deny to the enemy. Whatever may be the rumours to which the hon. member has referred, war materials are not being sent to Spain from Canada.

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COLUMBIA RIVER BASIN

STATEMENT WITH RESPECT TO REFERENCE TO INTERNATIONAL JOINT COMMISSION

LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Right Hon. W. L. MACKENZIE KING (Prime Minister):

I should like to make a

statement with reference to matters pertaining to the Columbia river which have been referred for investigation to the international joint commission. I am making the statement now because it has been agreed that it will be made simultaneously at Washington.

The governments of Canada and the United States have agreed to refer to the international joint commission, for investigation and report, the question whether it would be feasible and advantageous to make a greater use than is now being made of the waters of the Columbia river system. The reference to the commission is being made under article IX of the treaty relating to boundary waters between the United States and Canada, signed on January 11, 1909.

As questions concerning the Columbia river basin are of great interest to the province of British Columbia, the government of that province has been consulted at all stages in the drafting of this reference.

The report of the international joint commission will not be binding on the governments concerned, but it is likely that the investigations of the commission will result in suggestions and recommendations which will be carried into effect by joint action of the two governments.

The commission has to date dealt with nine separate applications with reference to specific problems concerning the Columbia river and its tributaries. The present reference concerns the entire Columbia river system. It is based on the realization that a large part of the water resources of the two countries in this important river basin is being allowed1 to go to waste because of lack of adequate regulation and control, and upon the desirability of more effective flood control. The investigation by the commission will cover domestic water supply and sanitation, navigation, efficient development of water power, the control of

floods, the needs of irrigation, the reclamation of wet lands, the conservation of wild life and other beneficial public purposes.

When the commission has completed its investigations there will be available to the two governments a complete and detailed report on the best uses to which the waters of this vast river basin can be put.

The Columbia river is 1,200 miles long. In comparison, the St. Lawrence from Duluth to Father Point is 1,700 miles long. The watershed of the Columbia river is 259,000 square miles, of which 39,400 are in Canada.

At present there is a total installed capacity of approximately 450,000 horse-power in the Columbia river basin in Canada. The studies to be undertaken by the commission will determine the total potential water power in the basin.

The Columbia is a truly international river. Any development, and particularly any power development, of the resources of the river on one side of the boundary is certain to have an effect in the other country. For this reason it is necessary that the plans for development of the river basin in one country should be adapted to those in the other.

It is unlikely that a complete report by the commission will be available for several years, but it is expected that the commission will bring out interim reports from time to time with regard to projects which might be integrated with post-war rehabilitation plans.

I now table for the information of the house copies in English and French of the reference by the Canadian government to the international joint commission.

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LIB

Thomas Reid

Liberal

Mr. THOMAS REID (New Westminster):

May I be permitted to ask the Prime Minister a question regarding the commission which is to inquire into the Columbia river? Will he consider referring to the commission the question of the violation by the United States of the agreement by building dams across the line w'ithout consulting this country, thereby denying to Canadian citizens the rights they had under the treaty of 1845?

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

My hon. friend's question is not so much a question as an assertion of something of which whether it is true or not I do not know.

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LIB

Thomas Reid

Liberal

Mr. REID:

Then he will have to take the word of an hon. member.

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QUESTIONS

March 9, 1944