March 3, 1944

CCF

Alexander Malcolm Nicholson

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. NICHOLSON:

I see under this vote that two veterinary inspectors are engaged at $2,520 each. How long have they been with the department and at what salary did they start?

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James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

They are two officials who are working in the plant at Hull and are classified as veterinary inspectors. They have been on the staff here for quite a few years.

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Thomas Miller Bell

Mr. COLD WELL:

Are they qualified veterinary inspectors?

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

Yes.

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Thomas Miller Bell

Mr. COLD WELL:

I wonder why they do not go into veterinary practice.

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

In the section where I am farming it was difficult until recently for a veterinary to make a living.

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CCF

Major James William Coldwell

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. COLDWELL:

Can they live decently on that salary?

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

It is more than the average veterinary out in the country has been making in the last two or three years.

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CCF

Alexander Malcolm Nicholson

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. NICHOLSON:

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

The student has to take a five-year course, or just about as long as medicine for human beings, and it is rather an expensive course, but the difficulty is that many farmers do not make use of the veterinary to the extent they should sometimes because prices of animals have been low and they have not considered it worth while to use the veterinary's services.

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CCF

Major James William Coldwell

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. COLDWELL:

But these men are

employed by the government.

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

Yes, doing inside work.

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CCF

Alexander Malcolm Nicholson

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. NICHOLSON:

How long have they been with the department?

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

One for about twenty years and the other for about fifteen years.

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CCF

Alexander Malcolm Nicholson

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. NICHOLSON:

Before the minister

brings down his estimates for next year, some consideration should be given to an increase in salaries, especially after the minister has admitted that the health of animals is so important nowadays. It is disgraceful to require trained technical men to work for fifteen or twenty years at such a low salary range.

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

All of these men right through this list are veterinaries. They are not listed as such, but every man there is a veterinary, right up to the head of the branch, where the pay is $4,320. The salary depends upon the work they are doing. Apparently these two men are prepared to do the work which is required in these particular positions at that salary. I imagine they would appreciate it very much if they got more, but the salaries are standardized by the civil service commission.

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Mark Cecil Senn

Progressive Conservative

Mr. SENN:

I do not wish to hold up this item, but I wish to make one more appeal to the minister that more should be expended on this service. The losses to the live stock industry because of diseases are very great, and I think more should be expended on the prevention of diseases of animals, even if it is not expended under this item. I was going to

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make a suggestion to the minister that if no other way can be found of increasing the amount, a small tax could be put on the live stock producers, who I am sure would be glad to pay a small amount per head of stock to see this research work enlarged and a much more comprehensive programme of research carried on. It would take very little per head of live stock throughout the country to raise sufficient funds to make this service a real asset to the farmers of the country. I leave that suggestion with the minister, that in any event more money should be expended on this service.

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Victor Quelch

Social Credit

Mr. QUELCH:

Who is responsible for granting permits to United States veterinaries to practise in Canada?

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James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

I understand that that comes under the provinces.

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CCF

Thomas Clement (Tommy) Douglas

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. DOUGLAS (Weyburn):

Would the minister make a statement now, or at some later stage when his estimates are before the committee, with reference to this and the other scientific service branches, dealing with their work for the benefit of those members of the committee who are not farmers. As I understand it, these are research branches seeking to gather information in regard to certain animal diseases. How are the results of their researches made available to the farmers? The minister says that literature is sent out. I should like to know on what basis it is sent out. Does the farmer know where to send for it? Is a mailing list kept? Also with regard to vaccines, are they made available to farmers through the provincial departments of agriculture? Going around last fall, I found the live stock producers experiencing contagious abortion among cattle and erysipelas among hogs. The veterinaries were terribly overworked. In the second place I found that many farmers did not know how to go about dealing with that particular situation because some of them had started to raise live stock only since the war began. How do they go .about getting this information? Would the minister tell the committee so that the farmers will know how the results of this research work can be made available to them.

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March 3, 1944