March 3, 1944

LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

Yes.

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SC

James Alexander Marshall

Social Credit

Mr. MARSHALL:

Are these bureaux the minister has just mentioned subdivisions of the four main organizations mentioned in the auditor general's report?

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

I should have read the additional bureaux organized since 1928. They are: dairy science bureau; the mycological institute, and the institute of entomology. These have been organized since and brought into the bureaux.

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SC

James Alexander Marshall

Social Credit

Mr. MARSHALL:

Are they taken care of under the vote?

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

Yes, all of them.

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Item agreed to. Science service- 5. Science service administration, $25,005.


NAT

Ernest Edward Perley

National Government

Mr. PERLEY:

Under science service there are five or six items that are important. In the minister's report for the year ended March 31, 1943, page 11 refers to science services. In the second paragraph it states that the work of the science service is directed toward a solution of practical problems of agriculture through the application of scientific investigation. I think very important work is being carried on in that connection, and I should like to ask the minister what system is used for distributing the information. I know pamphlets are sent out from time to time by the department and occasionally I get some. Generally, what is the system, and is there real value given for the expenditure and the work carried on? I mean, does the public get the information that this service can give?

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

In connection with that activity every possible means of communication is made use of. We issue pamphlets and publish items in the weekly papers and have announcements made on the radio. As a

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matter of fact, we utilize practically every possible means of getting information related to this particular activity over to the public.

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NAT

Ernest Edward Perley

National Government

Mr. PERLEY:

What is the response? Do you get any response?

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

Y.es. I understand there is continuous response coming in. We receive applications for further information and for some of the information that is referred to in write-ups in the press and announcements over the radio.

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LIB
LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

There have been

articles, I think, in Time magazine, the Reader's Digest and some other publications of that kind which have put forth the idea that you could take a sugar beet seed, which is in clusters, break it up into individual parts and thereby sow just one seed where you now sow clusters, and thus reduce the labour in connection with the thinning of the plants. I have some memory of hoeing beets and turnips and a few other things in my younger days, and I hope that this gentleman is right, that they have some kind of machine that will thin out these different vegetables, the seeds of which are sown in large numbers, and thus do away with the manual labour that has been necessary in the past. We have nothing to indicate that any system has been worked out which will get away from at least a greater part of the labour of thinning out these different kinds of plants which must be sown much thicker than you expect to have them finally in order to make sure that you have sufficient of them there to produce what you want to produce. Having sown them in that way by some method, you must go through and thin them. That is all the information we have in the matter, the information we read in these different articles that have been written with regard to it.

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LIB

James Lester Douglas

Liberal

Mr. DOUGLAS (Weybum):

I do not know whether the question I am about to ask comes under this item, but last year there was a discussion in the committee with regard to Russian dandelion, and it was said that twenty per cent latex was being derived from them. I believe the minister said that some investigation was being made into it. Has the minister or his department a report of their findings?

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

We are growing the dandelions experimentally. It would be quite proper to discuss it under botany, or plant pathology, or experimental farms. The experiments are being carried out on our farms, and

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the discussion might properly come under botany. Probably we can make greater headway if we discuss it when Doctor Archibald is here because he has more knowledge of it.

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SC

John Horne Blackmore

Social Credit

Mr. BLACKMORE:

Before we get too far away from the subject which the hon. member for Swift Current raised, the matter of sugar manufactured from sugar beets, I think it would be well to point out to the committee that in 1937 the beet sugar factories located in my constituency sold their sugar at four cents a pound. That sounds almost unbelievable, does it not? Yet in that year they made over $150 an acre for every acre in sugar beets that year. That sum of money was divided between the farmers and the manufacturer. I think that gives the lie to those who have maintained that the production of beet sugar in Canada is uneconomic. Then more recently the process which was mentioned by an hon. member has come into use, and several new types of labour-saving machinery have become available or are on the verge of becoming available, so that I think and in fact I am safe in saying I am sure the production of beet sugar in Canada will become an industry which we simply cannot afford to ignore. It has great possibilities.

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

I presume the $150 were the gross receipts?

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SC

John Horne Blackmore

Social Credit

Mr. BLACKMORE:

No; I believe those were the net profits; however, I shall get the figures. I had expected to discuss this matter under another item.

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

It really would come under the experimental farm item; but I would suggest that the hon. member get the figures, because if there is a net profit of $150 an acre on land growing sugar beets there is not much of an argument for some of the demands that have been made upon the government.

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SC

John Horne Blackmore

Social Credit

Mr. BLACKMORE:

I am not prepared to say whether that figure was gross or net, but I shall be prepared to discuss the figures in detail when the suitable item comes up. Canada has been exceedingly unwise in neglecting the beet sugar industry for the last ten years, and the Canadian people are paying the price that the foolish administration of the country has made them pay.

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Item agreed to. Science service- 6. Animal and poultry pathology, $174,300.


March 3, 1944