February 28, 1944

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Gordon Graydon (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. GRAYDON:

In that amount how much is for fuel?

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Agar Rodney Adamson

Progressive Conservative

Mr. ADAMSON:

The minister mentioned water transport. Does he mean assault landing craft and tank landing craft?

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James Layton Ralston (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. RALSTON:

I mean the little boats for water transport. We have one of them at least in Halifax harbour, I think.

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Agar Rodney Adamson

Progressive Conservative

Mr. ADAMSON:

There was a mail service in Nova Scotia as well?

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James Layton Ralston (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. RALSTON:

There is a boat up the British Columbia coast from Vancouver, too.

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Agar Rodney Adamson

Progressive Conservative

Mr. ADAMSON:

Yes; it does not include the tank landing craft and the assault landing craft?

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James Layton Ralston (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. RALSTON:

It will include that, I think, yes. As a matter of fact, about eighty per cent of this item is for overseas. I would think it would include that.

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Gordon Graydon (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. GRAYDON:

The minister said that he would get me some information.

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James Layton Ralston (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. RALSTON:

Did my hon. friend ask another question?

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Gordon Graydon (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. GRAYDON:

I asked what part of item No. 10 was fuel?

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James Layton Ralston (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. RALSTON:

I am sorry I cannot give my hon. friend the information at the moment. As a matter of fact, the gasoline, oil, grease and anti-freeze for overseas are all under a

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capitation rate with the British government; that is to say, it is all paid on a per diem basis. The cost of fuel gasoline in Canada is something like $4,000,000. Part of the oil is for fuel and part is for lubricating, but I cannot break it down.

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Gordon Graydon (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. GRAYDON:

I was not anxious to have any special break-down, but I should like to have some idea as to how much fuel is being used, perhaps for other reasons, as the discussion progresses.

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James Layton Ralston (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. RALSTON:

I cannot give my hon. friend what proportion of that big item for overseas is fuel as compared with the other. It is all lumped together.

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Gordon Graydon (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. GRAYDON:

I think the minister has given me sufficient information now.

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John Ritchie MacNicol

National Government

Mr. MacNICOL:

Did I understand the minister to say that the amount of fuel, gasoline, is only $4,000,000?

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James Layton Ralston (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. RALSTON:

I said the item was $30,000,000 altogether; of that, $24,000,0000 represents estimated overseas expenditures. I cannot break that down for the committee into oil, gasoline and anti-freeze, because that $24,000,000 is based on what we call a capitation rate, which we pay the British government for servicing our troops at so much a day. They provide the oil, lubricants, and everything else. They do not measure out the gallons. They say, "We will provide you with oil, lubricant, anti-freeze and so on at a per diem rate." I have here the amount for gasoline in Canada. It is $4,000,000.

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Joseph-Arthur Bradette (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

The CHAIRMAN:

Shall the item carry?

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John Ritchie MacNicol

National Government

Mr. MacNICOL:

Mr. Chairman, you are getting along very nicely. We have voted almost $1,500,000,000.

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February 28, 1944