February 25, 1944

SC

Ernest George Hansell

Social Credit

Mr. HANSELL:

I am sorry; I do not agree [DOT] with my hon. friend. I do not believe any man is worth $10,000 to read-I am going to say this in spite of the risk of unpopularity- a lot of silly gags which some other men behind the scenes have written up for him.

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LIB

Paul Joseph James Martin (Parliamentary Assistant to the Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. MARTIN:

What about Charlie

McCarthy?

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SC

Ernest George Hansell

Social Credit

Mr. HANSELL:

Well, Charlie McCarthy, the wooden-head, gets $10,000 every time he broadcasts. The Lux Theatre gets $10,000 a programme; Bing Crosby, $10,000; Abbott and Costello,.$10,000, and so forth and so on.

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LIB

Paul Joseph James Martin (Parliamentary Assistant to the Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. MARTIN:

What does Mortimer

Snerd get?

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SC

Ernest George Hansell

Social Credit

Mr. HANSELL:

I would not mind being a comedian myself if I were able to get such a salary. But what I was saying is that these are the talent costs, and commercial sponsors have to pay for radio time besides that, on,

I believe, anywhere from 100 to 200 stations.

While I am talking about this talent might I make this observation, and I do it on behalf of a minority of people. There are some of us who like to regard the Sabbath as the Lord's day, and yet I find that four of the most outstanding comedians, namely, Fred Allen, Jack Benny, Bob Hope and Charlie McCarthy-perhaps I should say Edgar Bergen-come on the air on Sunday; and since the new network has been set up in Canada some of them have crowded out church services. I do not like that. I know that Sunday is a good day for broadcasting because people are at home and listen to the radio and they naturally listen to these programmes. But we are permitting the commercialization of the Sabbath.

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Robert Fair

Social Credit

Mr. FAIR:

The destruction of Christianity.

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Ernest George Hansell

Social Credit

Mr. HANSELL:

It is one instance of the thin end of the wedge to destroy our great Christian principles, and I abhor it. I am not going to say that we should make them come on the air on some other day because we have no control over that. They are United States broadcasts and there is not very much we can do about the matter. I understand, however, that representations have been made for other programmes to come over Canadian stations. For example, the Tabernacle choir of Salt Lake City is, I believe, one of the greatest on the North American continent. I have heard it. It would come in the east here about twelve noon on Sunday, but I am quite certain that people in eastern Canada do not get it. They might get it from a Buffalo station or some other station in that vicinity, but the people

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in this part of the country cannot get that programme, and yet it is one of the best, one of the highest types. I mention that in passing.

I come back to the argument with regard to the cost of broadcasting being put into the price of goods, or otherwise. There is another thing that happens. I understand that the advertising costs of a corporation are written into its cost sheets and therefore are not. subject to taxation. They are hidden. If I am not right I stand corrected.

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An hon. MEMBER:

There is a limit.

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Ernest George Hansell

Social Credit

Mr. HANSELL:

Perhaps so. If there is it is a good thing. But I am simply saying that any taxation which might accrue to the public treasury by reason of the lowering of advertising costs would be a good thing; or conversely the public are paying by reason of a loss of revenue, a part of the advertising costs of these corporations. All these things enter into the picture.

I must spend a little time commenting on the matter my hon. friend the member for Rosetown-Biggar (Mr. Cokiwell) brought up. I do not blame him for raising it because it has been mentioned. I call the attention of the house to what my hon. friend said about my remarks the other night. I said he had been given undue publicity, as I thought, on a certain night when, over the air, came the news that the leader of the opposition had asked about the McNaughton affair. Of course, when I mentioned it my hon. friend had to trot down to the office of the corporation and dig out the news broadcast to see if I was right. He claims, of course, that I was not right. There is one question I will ask him. If, when reading that news broadcast, he had found1 that I was right, would he have read it here this afternoon? However, there is one thing he did not do. He did not check the statement I made. Oh, no; he runs to the C.B.C. This is what I said:

I might make a further comment-and I am not blaming my hon. friend for this; perhaps he wanted to get a little publicity, and believe me he got it. I happened to listen in on the radio to the two programmes that night.

I did not say that the C.B.C. mentioned him twice. You see, my hon. friend was wrong again. I said further:

The leader of the opposition was mentioned once in connection with the McNaughton question and my friend the _ hon. member for Rosetown-Biggar was mentioned twice.

That is what I heard when I listened to these two broadcasts and I might make this observation. This is a very minor matter perhaps, and I would not bring it up had it

not been for the fact that this matter of the C.B.C. publicizing my good friends the C.C.F., and particularly my hon. friend the member for Rosetown-Biggar, had been brought to my attention before by many people. I went home after the last session. After driving home from the station I went down town. The first man I met put out his hand and said, "How do you do, Mr. Hansell? Glad to see you back." Then he said, "How is it that the C.B.C. are always talking about this man Coldwell?" That was man number one. I talked with this gentleman for a moment or two and when I moved on a pace another gentleman met me and, of course, shook hands, "How do you do, Mr. Hansell? Glad to see you back; been away a long time?" I said, "Yes, six months or so," and he, too, made the same comment about my hon. friend. I thought to myself, this is rather strange. However, when I went a few paces farther a third gentleman met me, and lo and behold he made the same comment. Incidentally he said, "When was this man elected?" I said, "In 1935." "Wpll," said he, "where has this man been all these years? I didn't hear very much about him until the past few months or so."

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An hon. MEMBER:

He wasn't good news.

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Ernest George Hansell

Social Credit

Mr. HANSELL:

Maybe he was not. My friends are jibing me now. Now they say he is good news. Well, he may be, and so are the Katzenjammer Kids. I was not particularly alarmed when the third man spoke up in that way; but living in Ottawa and attending the parliamentary session I must confess I do not listen to the radio news a great deal, because it comes on at an hour when we are sitting or when we are not in our offices. When these men made this comment I recalled a certain incident that occurred during the last session of parliament. The debate in the afternoon was on the estimates of the Minister of Finance and we were discussing an appropriation of half a million dollars in respect of the woollen industry. The hon. member for Lethbridge (Mr. Blackmore) is quite a student, and when he undertakes to master a subject he gets his books and he masters it. I think I can say that on that afternoon the hon. member for Lethbridge was master of the situation; when for an entire afternoon he engaged the Minister of Finance (Mr. Ilsley) in a debate on one of the most important subjects in this country, the woollen industry. That is all right. At eight o'clock that night the Minister of Pensions and National Health (Mr. Mackenzie) came on and during the course of the debate the hon. member for (Rosetown-Biggar walked

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in, rose and made a little speech, which recommended that medical services should be distributed a little more adequately throughout the country. It did not take any brains to figure that out.

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Thomas Miller Bell

Mr. COLD WELL:

None whatever.

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Ernest George Hansell

Social Credit

Mr. HANSELL:

The hon. member did not need a variety of books around him to figure that one out; yet he rose and spoke as others did. I recall I went up to my office at ten o'clock; I switched on my little radio unconsciously; I was not expecting to get anything in particular, and the C.B.C. news came on.

' Lo and behold, what did they report on parliament? "Mr. Coldwell"-it is always Mr. Coldwell-"the leader of the C.C.F. advocated to-night that the government make a more adequate distribution of the medical services of the country." I thought, is that news?- and I listened and listened for the name of Blackmore, but, I suppose I could still be listening; nary a sound of the name of Black-more came over the air. I will invite my hon. friend to trot down to the C.B.C. again and dig that one out.

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Major James William Coldwell

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. COLDWELL:

That is your business.

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Joseph William Noseworthy

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. NOSEWORTHY:

The world never does appreciate genius.

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Ernest George Hansell

Social Credit

Mr. HANSELL:

I do not want to bother about that; but I will say this, my hon. friend's speech on that occasion occupies half a column of Hansard, and the Speech and discussion of the hon. member for Lethbridge that same afternoon occupies eleven pages of Hansard.

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CCF

George Hugh Castleden

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. CASTLEDEN:

That should be pretty clear.

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CCF

Thomas Clement (Tommy) Douglas

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. DOUGLAS (Weyburn):

They could not find what he was saying.

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Ernest George Hansell

Social Credit

Mr. HANSELL:

My hon. friend can go down to the C.B.C. and dig out the information that was given over the air on February 22, if he wishes. On that day we were discussing the war expenditures committee. What happened that afternoon? My hon. friend did not talk at all, but the C.B.C. talked about him. He did not talk, at all except when somebody rose and irritated him. Of course, such had to be corrected. Something ought to be said. I thought the hon. member for Rosedale (Mr. Jackman) made a speech in the house that threw some light at least on what took place in the committee with respect to my hon. friend's charges. In fact I gathered from reading the speech and listening to it that he attempted to show that my

hon. friend's charges were weak. I am not saying whether he proved anything or not, but I am saying that when the C.B.C. reported it, though my hon. friend had not spoken at all, they took about one-half a minute about him. Maybe I should not exaggerate; maybe it was only twenty-nine seconds. You must be exact, you know. They gave this hon. gentleman from Rosetown-Biggar a lot of mention. My hon. friend, the parliamentary assistant to the Minister of Munitions and Supply (Mr. Chevrier) was mentioned quite a little bit as were also a few other people. While many may think they are good speakers, they just got honourable mention that night, and the hon. member for Rosedale never got a word. They never said a thing about him.

I do not want to continue in this vein; perhaps it is not worth mentioning. Perhaps these are just tiny little items in news broadcasts. It may be that I have dug out the wrong ones; but I do say it is my belief, notwithstanding what my hon. friend says, that the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation is giving undue prominence to our hon. friends, and to the hon. member for Rosetown-Biggar in particular. Sometimes I feel like saying, "Who is this superman?" He likes to rise in parliament and say he is the leader of a major political party. I do not know whether this is so or not.

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CCF

Clarence Gillis

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. GILLIS:

You are giving him a lot of advertising now.

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February 25, 1944