February 14, 1944

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

Car No. 20175. This car is operated by R. Peterson, engineer who was making soil tests in connection with the foundations necessary for the construction of the Wolverine water project.

Car No. 20444. This car is operated by Peter Hyndman, agricultural supervisor under P.F.R.A.. who made a survey and report on the agricultural benefits of the Wolverine water project.

I am positive that none of these last three men who were working on the project throughout the summer of 1943 took any part whatsoever in the by-election. Any part which the other two might have taken would only be what any citizen resident in the area is free to take under our democratic institutions; but they did not use federal government cars for political purposes during the election.

Car No. 20471. The information I have is that this car was operated in Manitoba early in the season but was turned over to Saskatchewan during the season, but that it at no time during the election was in or near Humboldt.

This leaves the car which is at headquarters in Regina, No. 20456, and which is placed at my disposal when I am in the province. I drove this car to the constituency, used it on certain occasions while there and drove it back to Regina later. I paid for my own gasoline while it was out, as I always do. The government did not pay for any gasoline in any car used for political purposes during that election, and no one of the cars listed above excepting '20456 was used for political purposes to my knowledge. To the extent that I drove the car in and out of the constituency and on a few occasions while I was in there it may be said that car was used for political purposes.

The Ottawa Citizen comments in these words on the last paragraph of the quotation from the remarks of the hon. member for Rosotown-Biggar, which I have given:

It is not a pretty picture that Mr. Coldwell draws. No doubt - Mr. Gardiner will enter a trenchant rejoinder. But how does Mr. King feel about it? He is perhaps obligated to Mr. Gardiner to some extent for election in Prince Albert.

There are two objections that I raise with regard to that comment as being unbecoming of a newspaper when referring to a member of parliament. The first is that it suggests that Mr. Coldwell's inferences are based upon facts, without -any further examination of the records. The records indicate they are not. Second, it suggests that what Mr. Coldwell infers was done in Humboldt-namely that government officials driving government cars operated on government gasoline, were directed by the Liberal organization under Mr. Gardiner-was no doubt done in the past to elect Mr. King in Prince Albert. I only wish to state that Mr. King has been elected five times in Prince Albert, the first time in spite of a campaign put on by an eastern newspaper which sent to Prince Albert the Stevens charges of 1926 just off the press and Mr. J. J. Maloney.

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NAT

Gordon Graydon (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. GRAYDON:

I rise to a point of order.

Privilege-Mr. Gardiner

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LIB
NAT

Gordon Graydon (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. GRAYDON:

I rise to a point of order. I want the hon. minister to sit down until I get through with my point of order. After all I think I have the right to rise to a point of order.

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

But I have the floor. I have the right to sit down before you get so angry about your rights.

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Gordon Graydon (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. GRAYDON:

I am not going to argue the matter with the minister. I do not mind going a certain distance on this matter of privilege, but when it comes to reading into the record a whole lot of political propaganda, directed, I presume, at some other party now in the house-I have no idea to whom the minister is referring-I object to his bringing in these extraneous matters.

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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of Pensions and National Health)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver Centre):

He is replying to an attack in the press.

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NAT
LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

The Prime Minister has won each election on that record.

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Some hon. MEMBERS:

Order.

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LIB

Thomas Vien (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER:

I gathered from the statement made by the minister that he was referring to matters which came within the question of privilege, but he must show that the latter part of his remarks also comes within the confines of a question of privilege so far as he is concerned.

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

I could read the Citizen; I have it here. It suggests-

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Thomas Vien (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER:

The question of privilege refers in part to the Prime Minister, not the Minister of Agriculture.

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

I have the editorial here. After giving what they call the picture of the organization in Saskatchewan they suggest that I used the same methods in Saskatchewan in order to elect the Prime Minister. I am giving the house the answer to that.

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Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of Pensions and National Health)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver Centre):

An attack upon you.

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

Mr. King at no time has suggested, nor would he agree, that anyone should conduct a campaign in his interest on anything but his record and policies. He has won each election on that record and those

policies. The only person who has ever approached me to manipulate the organization of a Saskatchewan constituency to get a seat without opposition for anyone is Mr. Bowman of the Citizen. When I told him I had1 no such power or authority he refused to believe me. If he wishes to discuss that further I am prepared to discuss it with him, Mr. Speaker.

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Major James William Coldwell

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. OOLDWELL:

On a question of privilege, the minister in the course of his remarks left the inference that I had deliberately avoided making a speech in his presence. May I say to you, Mr. Speaker, that on the afternoon in question I saw the Deputy Speaker as soon as I was able to do so, which was quite early. He told me that Mr. Raymond was ill and that if I saw the chief whip of the Liberal party I might be able to follow Mr. Perley, who was speaking second.

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