Car No. 20175. This car is operated by R. Peterson, engineer who was making soil tests in connection with the foundations necessary for the construction of the Wolverine water project.
Car No. 20444. This car is operated by Peter Hyndman, agricultural supervisor under P.F.R.A.. who made a survey and report on the agricultural benefits of the Wolverine water project.
I am positive that none of these last three men who were working on the project throughout the summer of 1943 took any part whatsoever in the by-election. Any part which the other two might have taken would only be what any citizen resident in the area is free to take under our democratic institutions; but they did not use federal government cars for political purposes during the election.
Car No. 20471. The information I have is that this car was operated in Manitoba early in the season but was turned over to Saskatchewan during the season, but that it at no time during the election was in or near Humboldt.
This leaves the car which is at headquarters in Regina, No. 20456, and which is placed at my disposal when I am in the province. I drove this car to the constituency, used it on certain occasions while there and drove it back to Regina later. I paid for my own gasoline while it was out, as I always do. The government did not pay for any gasoline in any car used for political purposes during that election, and no one of the cars listed above excepting '20456 was used for political purposes to my knowledge. To the extent that I drove the car in and out of the constituency and on a few occasions while I was in there it may be said that car was used for political purposes.
The Ottawa Citizen comments in these words on the last paragraph of the quotation from the remarks of the hon. member for Rosotown-Biggar, which I have given:
It is not a pretty picture that Mr. Coldwell draws. No doubt - Mr. Gardiner will enter a trenchant rejoinder. But how does Mr. King feel about it? He is perhaps obligated to Mr. Gardiner to some extent for election in Prince Albert.
There are two objections that I raise with regard to that comment as being unbecoming of a newspaper when referring to a member of parliament. The first is that it suggests that Mr. Coldwell's inferences are based upon facts, without -any further examination of the records. The records indicate they are not. Second, it suggests that what Mr. Coldwell infers was done in Humboldt-namely that government officials driving government cars operated on government gasoline, were directed by the Liberal organization under Mr. Gardiner-was no doubt done in the past to elect Mr. King in Prince Albert. I only wish to state that Mr. King has been elected five times in Prince Albert, the first time in spite of a campaign put on by an eastern newspaper which sent to Prince Albert the Stevens charges of 1926 just off the press and Mr. J. J. Maloney.
I am not going to argue the matter with the minister. I do not mind going a certain distance on this matter of privilege, but when it comes to reading into the record a whole lot of political propaganda, directed, I presume, at some other party now in the house-I have no idea to whom the minister is referring-I object to his bringing in these extraneous matters.
I gathered from the statement made by the minister that he was referring to matters which came within the question of privilege, but he must show that the latter part of his remarks also comes within the confines of a question of privilege so far as he is concerned.
I have the editorial here. After giving what they call the picture of the organization in Saskatchewan they suggest that I used the same methods in Saskatchewan in order to elect the Prime Minister. I am giving the house the answer to that.
Mr. King at no time has suggested, nor would he agree, that anyone should conduct a campaign in his interest on anything but his record and policies. He has won each election on that record and those
policies. The only person who has ever approached me to manipulate the organization of a Saskatchewan constituency to get a seat without opposition for anyone is Mr. Bowman of the Citizen. When I told him I had1 no such power or authority he refused to believe me. If he wishes to discuss that further I am prepared to discuss it with him, Mr. Speaker.
On a question of privilege, the minister in the course of his remarks left the inference that I had deliberately avoided making a speech in his presence. May I say to you, Mr. Speaker, that on the afternoon in question I saw the Deputy Speaker as soon as I was able to do so, which was quite early. He told me that Mr. Raymond was ill and that if I saw the chief whip of the Liberal party I might be able to follow Mr. Perley, who was speaking second.