February 4, 1944

RADIO BROADCASTING

APPOINTMENT TO BOARD OF GOVERNORS OF CANADIAN BROADCASTING CORPORATION


Hon. L. R. LaFLECHE (Minister of National War Services): Mr. Speaker, I should like to lay on the table of the house a copy of order in council P.C. 530, dated February 3, 1944, appointing William James Parker, Esquire, of the city of Winnipeg, a governor of the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation. May I say a word as to who and what this distinguished gentleman is. Mr. Parker is a practical farmer, a graduate of the Manitoba Agricultural college and a member of the board of governors of the university of Manitoba. A comparatively young man, he has won a name for himself throughout the west as an authority on general agricultural problems, and is recognized as one of the foremost scientific agriculturists of the dominion. He farms on an extensive scale in Manitoba. Mr. Parker served in the last war as a member of the Royal Flying Corps. He is married and has two sons. He is president of the Manitoba Pool Elevators, and a vice-president of the Canadian Federation of Agriculture.


NAT

Gordon Graydon (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. GRAYDON:

Is the other vacancy to be filled as well?

Mr. LaFLECHE: The matter is under consideration, and I trust to be able to make an announcement before very long.

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SOCIAL SECURITY

APPOINTMENT OF SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON NATIONAL SOCIAL INSURANCE

LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Right Hon. W. L. MACKENZIE KING (Prime Minister):

Mr. Speaker, I understand that we are not likely at this stage to encounter a desire for debate on the constitution of the committee on social insurance. If the house is agreeable to having this committee constituted at once, I shall move:

That a select committee of this house be appointed to examine and report on a national plan of social insurance which will constitute a charter of social security for the whole of Canada, and, to that end,

To examine and study the existing social insurance legislation of the parliament of Canada and of the several provincial legislatures; social insurance policies of other countries; the most practicable measures of social insurance for Canada, including health insurance, and the steps which will be required to effect their inclusion in a national plan; the constitutional and financial adjustments which will be required for the achievement of a nation-wide plan of social security; and other related matters.

That the said committee have power to appoint, from among its members, such subcommittees as may be deemed advisable or necessary to deal with specific phases of the problems aforesaid, wfith power to call for persons, papers, and records, to examine witnesses under oath, to print such papers and evidence from day to day as may be ordered by the committee for the use of the committee and members of the house; that the said committee shall report to the house from time to time; and that the said committee shall consist of the following members: Messrs. Adamson,

Blanchette, Bourget, Breithaupt, Bruce, Cassel-man (Mrs.) (Edmonton East), Claxton, Cleaver. Cote, Diefenbaker, Donnelly, Fauteux, Fulford, Gershaw, Gregory, Hatfield, Howden, Hurtubise, Johnston (Bow River), Kinley, Lalonde, Leclerc, Lockhart, Maclnnis, Mackenzie (Vancouver Centre), MacKinnon (Kootenay East), Macmillan, McCann, McGarry, McGregor, McIvgt, Maybank, Mayhew, Mitchell. Picard, Shaw, Slaght, Veniot, Warren, Wood, Wright.

Hon. members will observe that the wording of this resolution follows the wording of a similar resojution under which the committee on social insurance was appointed at the last session. T' e members of the committee are, I understand, for the most part the same; there may be one or two changes.

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Social Security

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Gordon Graydon (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. GORDON GRAYDON (Leader of the Opposition):

Mr. Speaker, the speech from the throne is indefinite with respect to the introduction of a health insurance bill in Canada, and this motion would seem to indicate that the whole matter is receiving further study. I take it that the conference with the provinces to which the Prime Minister referred the other day, will discuss health insurance along with other matters. Can the Prime Minister enlighten the house as to whether or not it is expected that the legislation with respect to health insurance will be brought down this session? It has been awaited1 by the people for a long time now.

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

Everything

depends upon the progress of the work of the session and of the committee. I cannot say more than that.

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Gordon Graydon (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. GRAYDON:

I take it from that, that the government is anxious to get the measure in as soon as possible.

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

One of the purposes of reestablishing the committee at once is to begin as speedily as possible the consideration of the matters referred to.

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CCF

Percy Ellis Wright

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. P. E. WRIGHT (Melfort):

Mr. Speaker, it is not my desire to start a lengthy discussion on the setting up of this committee, of which I was a member last year, but there are one or two remarks I wish to make.

It seems to be the general opinion throughout the country that the social security committee was in favour of the medical health bill which was before it. Some two months ago I was listening to a nation-wide broadcast over a national hook-up of the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, and I was astonished to hear Doctor Routley, the secretary of the Canadian Medical association, make the statement that this must be a good bill because the only body that had studied it was in favour of it, and that was the social security committee of the House of Commons. That statement was not justified, because the committee did not make any study of the draft bill during the last session. All we did was to hear briefs presented by various people who would either render or receive services under the bill. About eighty-five per cent of the submissions were by those who hoped to render services under the bill. I believe there were only two briefs from those who hoped to receive services, one from the Canadian federation of agriculture and the other from the trades and labour council.

It is not my intention to enter into any discussion of the details of that bill; I believe that can be done better in the committee.

But I do wish to make it clear that so far as this group is concerned we believe there are certain principles which should be incorporated in a medical health bill. First, we believe that such a bill should be all-inclusive, both as to personnel and as to the services rendered. Any medical health bill should cover everybody, rich and poor. It should not be left to the provinces to say whether certain income groups shall be excluded from the provisions of the bill. Next, the services rendered under the bill should be the same in all provinces. These should include preventive medicine, hospitalization, nursing, and the necessary drugs and medicines. No province should have the right to say that it will accept only some of the provisions of the bill; that it will give hospitalization without providing medicine, for instance, or any other combination. The cost should be a charge not against the individual but against the total ability of this country to provide the necessary health services.

Next we contend that the administration of the bill should be left in equal proportion to those who are receiving services and those who are rendering services. The Canadian Medical Association should not be the sole body in charge of the administration of the bill. The government should have the right to decide when there is any division of opinion between these two groups. With these three principles in-porporated in the bill-they are not covered fully in the draft bill as it is at the present time-we will be in favour of complete medical health coverage for the Dominion of Canada.

While I am on my feet I should like to say just a word with respect to the statement made .yesterday by the hon. member for Peterborough West (Mr. Fraser) along the same lines. Apparently he is suffering from a disease-

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Gordon Graydon (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. GRAYDON:

May I interrupt at this

time? I do not know how this happens to come into the debate. I do not want the hon. member to drag in some extraneous matter.

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LIB

Thomas Vien (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER:

The hon. gentleman is

referring to a debate on some other matter which is not a matter suitable for discussion at this time.

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Karl Kenneth Homuth

National Government

Mr. HOMUTH:

The hon. member ought

to find out what disease he is suffering from.

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CCF

Percy Ellis Wright

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. WRIGHT:

The hon. member was

referring to medical services, and he mentioned our group in particular.

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LIB

Thomas Vien (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER:

That was a discussion on another matter. The hon. gentleman would not be entitled to discuss another matter which is already under discussion.

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Motion agreed to. Post-War Reconstruction


POST-WAR RECONSTRUCTION APPOINTMENT OF SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON RECONSTRUCTION AND REESTABLISHMENT

LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Right Hon. W. L. MACKENZIE KING (Prime Minister) moved:

That a select committee of the house be appointed to study and report upon the general problems of reconstruction and reestablishment which may arise at the termination of_ the present war, and all questions pertaining thereto; with power to such select committee to appoint, from among the members of the committee, such subcommittees as may be deemed advisable or necessary; to deal with specific phases of the problems aforementioned, with power to said select committee and to such subcommittees as may be formed therefrom, to call for persons, papers and records, to examine witnesses under oath, and for such select committee to report from time to time to the house; and that the said committee shall consist of the following members: Messrs.

Authier, Bence, Bertrand (Prescott), Black (Cumberland), Brunelle, Castleden, Dupuis, Eudes, Ferron, Fraser (Northumberland), Gillis, Gray Harris (Danforth), Hill, Jean, MacKenzie (Neepawa), Mackenzie (Vancouver Centre), MacNicol, McDonald (Pontiac). McKinnon (Kenora-Rainy River). McNiven, Marshall. Martin. Matthews, Mitchell, Mrs. Nielsen, Poirier. Purdy, Quelch, Ross (Calgary East), Ross (Middlesex East), Sanderson, Turgeon. Tustin, White, and that the provisions of standing order 65 limiting the number of members on special committees, be suspended in relation thereto.

The wording of this resolution is similar to that under which the committees were appointed last year and the year before.

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February 4, 1944