February 1, 1944

LIB

Charles Gavan Power (Associate Minister of National Defence; Minister of National Defence for Air; Minister of National Defence for Air and Associate Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. POWER:

I am not advocating that. I am merely suggesting that it should be something for the committee to study. I think the phrase "to survey all aspects of the problem" would give them that power, perhaps with a little good will on the part of the chairman and the members of the committee, and on the part of the house if it were necessary to have the reference widened. Personally I should like to see it studied, although I do not think that I would support it.

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NAT

Gordon Graydon (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. GRAYDON:

I agree with what the minister says with respect to that.

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LIB

Thomas Vien (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER:

I must point out to hon. members that we are not in committee.

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CCF

Clarence Gillis

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. CLARENCE GILLIS (Cape Breton South):

Mr. Speaker, may I be permitted to say a word, since my name has been brought into the discussion. I have no intention of debating this question now. I am a member of the committee that will be studying the whole problem, and my opinions will be reserved for the discussion of that aspect of the question. I merely wish to say a word with respect to the observation that it smacked of regimentation and so forth.

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NAT

Gordon Graydon (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. GRAYDON:

Fascism.

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CCF

Clarence Gillis

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. GILLIS:

The corporate state is

nothing more or less than totalitarianism in its initial stages. Nothing was further from my mind. On many occasions I have heard hon. members stress the fact that the opinions of those in the services were absolutely essential at this time. Since the outbreak of war we have changed completely the functioning of government in many directions under our war measures acts. If we are honest in our

declaration that we want the opinion of the service man in this house, then that is where he should be. I do not think that an amendment of the elections act with respect to the franchise alone is going to give us the real opinion of the man in the services who is now in a theatre of war; it will not bring that opinion into this bouse. In order to get that, I think the first thing that will have to be done is to give those in the service a full opportunity of discussing the issues involved in the election. I see no other way of doing it except to grant to the men in the services the same democracy with respect to the exercise of their franchise as we have in Canada. My own opinion is-I am not saying that it is the policy of this group-that the man in the services should have the privilege of nominating his own candidate over there. He should have the same right as we have to elect our representatives in Canada. Men from the scene of operations should be sent back to this house to guide us, and to let us know their hopes and aspirations. I am still convinced that that is the correct thing to do. I do not think any man or any woman should be asked to cast a ballot on any question unless he or she is thoroughly familiar with the issues involved.

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SC

Robert Fair

Social Credit

Mr. ROBERT FAIR (Battle River):

Mr. Speaker, I do not wish to delay the house at this time, but there is one point I should like to bring to the attention of hon. members. When the vote is extended to the members of the armed forces they should be given the right to cast, that vote as a secret ballot. I am thinking back to the time when the plebiscite was taken. Under the system adopted at that time it was possible for a vote to be traced, and I think that procedure should be done away with.

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NAT

Gordon Graydon (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. GRAYDON:

Mr. Speaker, may I ask

your indulgence for a moment? The hon. member for Cape Breton South has raised the question of bringing the opinions of those overseas to bear upon this matter. Will the minister give an undertaking that if we pass this resolution now, and it is found that the terms of reference are not broad enough to cover what the Minister of National Defence for Air thinks it Should, the committee will ask for a widening of its powers? Also I should like to know if we will be able to have soldiers from overseas or from Canada appear as witnesses before the committee to give some indication as to what they desire in connection with the point raised. After all, we are only civilians.

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LIB

Norman Alexander McLarty (Secretary of State of Canada)

Liberal

Hon. N. A. McLARTY (Secretary of State):

I think it would be extremely unwise

Labour Conditions

for me to give any undertaking as to what the decision of the committee may be, or upon what basis they will operate. The committee has the right at any time to refer back to the house if it is found that the scope of its reference is not wide enough to enable it to perform the duties it feels it should perform. The house can be asked to widen the terms of reference, but that is a matter that should be considered at that time. As to bringing in men from overseas or from the service in Canada, I would point out that the resolution is quite wide. The committee is to be given power to send for persons, papers and records, and to sit while the house is sitting. In other words, there is no limitation on the power of the committee to summon whomever they think could give information that would be of assistance in their deliberations.

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NAT

Gordon Graydon (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. GRAYDON:

We ought to know what

the troops themselves want.

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Motion agreed to.


LABOUR CONDITIONS

REFERENCE TO PRESS REPORT AS TO "LABOUR POOL" FOR WORK IN FORESTS


On the orders of the day:


NAT

Gordon Graydon (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. GORDON GRAYDON (Leader of the Opposition):

Mr. Speaker, I should like to forward to the Minister of Labour an item in to-day's Toronto Globe and Mail entitled "Labour Pool", written by the correspondent of the Boston Herald in connection with manpower for our Canadian forests. I was not able to give the minister notice of the question. Perhaps he will not be able to give me an answer to-day, but I wish to serve this notice so that he may be able to give me an answer to-morrow. The item, which seems to give authentic information, says that there is a labour pool available for work in Canadian forests and that United States interests are anxious to get a part of that labour pool-

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LIB

Humphrey Mitchell (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Hon. HUMPHREY MITCHELL (Minister of Labour):

I can answer that question now, without waiting until to-morrow. There is not a labour pool.

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NAT

Gordon Graydon (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. GRAYDON:

Then the minister's

answer to my question is that there is no available labour pool such as is indicated in this item?

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LIB

Humphrey Mitchell (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. MITCHELL:

No, we have no pool.

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INQUIRY AS TO LAY-OFF AT TORONTO SHIPBUILDING YARDS


On the orders of the day:


February 1, 1944