July 8, 1943

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James Lorimer Ilsley (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. ILSLEY:

Why do they wish to lower the price to the distributors?

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Joseph-Arthur Bradette (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

The CHAIRMAN:

I know the hon. member for Fraser Valley does not want to prolong the debate unduly. He has always been most fair. I think he realizes that the Minister of Finance and his officials are not backward in answering any questions. I think he realizes that the minister has tried to answer in the best way possible, and I ask the hon. member to take that answer.

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George Alexander Cruickshank

Liberal

Mr. CRUICKSHANK:

I appreciate your generous decision, Mr. Chairman, but the minister has asked me a direct question. I am flattered, because this is the first time I have been asked a question by so eminent a person.

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James Lorimer Ilsley (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. ILSLEY:

Does the hon. gentleman wish to lower or raise it?

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George Alexander Cruickshank

Liberal

Mr. CRUICKSHANK:

Now who is prolonging the debate? The minister has asked me a direct question. With all due deference to you, Mr. Chairman, I think the next time I shall write out my speech because I am about the only member who does not read what he has to say. We do not want to lower the price; we most decidedly want to raise it. I am asking why we as producers as represented by our own association-I mentioned the approximate figure of seventy-five per cent-and the present attorney general of British Columbia and the former attorney general of British Columbia, who now has the distinguished honour of having a seat in the place known as the other place-

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An hon. MEMBER:

Out of order.

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George Alexander Cruickshank

Liberal

Mr. CRUICKSHANK:

It is not out of older. They have taken it to the privy council. We are saying that as the Fraser Valley Milk Producers' Association we have

the right to set the price at which milk is sold to the distributors, provided the cost to the ultimate consumer does not exceed the ceiling price. I am asking the minister if that is possible. I appreciate the fact that he cannot answer offhand.

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James Lorimer Ilsley (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. ILSLEY:

Why does the hon. gentleman want to raise the price even to his own organization? That is what he has been talking about all evening.

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George Alexander Cruickshank

Liberal

Mr. CRUICKSHANK:

The reason why I want to raise the price is that we sell seventy-five per cent of our milk to distributors.

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James Lorimer Ilsley (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. ILSLEY:

To your own distributors.

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James Lorimer Ilsley (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. ILSLEY:

To your own people. Why do you wish to raise it?

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George Alexander Cruickshank

Liberal

Mr. CRUICKSHANK:

The remainder of our milk, the seventy-five per cent, goes into canned milk or manufactured milk-I am speaking in round figures-and twenty-five per cent goes into fluid milk. But 100 per cent of the milk produced by the other twenty-five per cent, the independent producers, goes into the fluid market. They cannot handle their consumers, so that they have to buy from our wholesalers, and we cannot charge them the price which our own distributing .agents are prepared to pay. This official of the wartime prices and trade board arrived in Vancouver, and he went down to this agency and asked what they could afford to pay.

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James Lorimer Ilsley (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. ILSLEY:

The hon. gentleman is not interested in the price he is charging his own organization; all he is interested in is the price to be charged the independents. He wants to raise the price to the independents. Is that the idea?

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An hon. MEMBER:

Eleven o'clock.

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George Alexander Cruickshank

Liberal

Mr. CRUICKSHANK:

I happen to have the floor. Since I have not been able to make my point clear, I ask you, Mr. Chairman, to call it eleven o'clock.

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Joseph-Arthur Bradette (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

The CHAIRMAN:

Shall the item carry?

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July 8, 1943