April 9, 1943

LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

Yes.

Topic:   WHEAT ACREAGE REDUCTION ACT
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CCF

George Hugh Castleden

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. CASTLEDEN:

I suggest to the minister that in cases where the farmer insists he did make application, but the officials say they have no record of it, some arrangement should be made under which he could be given a duplicate copy of his application so that he would have evidence of having made it. I know of several cases where the farmers have been turned down. He is told that there is no record of it; the secretary of the municipality has no record, and- the claim never came to the office. The man's word was all he had to bear out his contention.

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

Where we have been

able to establish that a man did make application, even though the record- may not have been properly kept in the municipality, payment has been made. But there have been cases where payments have not been made, where applications were not made until a later date. There might be a few exceptions, but I can say there are some who did make application as late as October and November. Those have been refused. In cases where individuals have been able to show that they did write- a letter, or where they have shown

that others have seen a letter, even if they could not produce it, payments have been made.

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CCF

George Hugh Castleden

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. CASTLEDEN:

If they had1 duplicate

copies that would not occur. I have known several cases where claims have been thrown out.

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

That is why some complained. Where they are able to prove their claims they did keep duplicate copies. It is up to the individual to keep a duplicate. Farmers who did- keep duplicates have been able to prove their positions; but those who have not have had difficulty from time to time.

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CCF

Thomas Clement (Tommy) Douglas

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. DOUGLAS (Weyburn):

Are they

given two forms?

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

There are two, anyway.

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NAT

James Arthur Ross

National Government

Mr. ROSS (Souris):

I believe duplicate

forms are made out in the municipal office; one is retained and one sent to the provincial superintendent. There is a good deal of merit in the suggestion of the hon. member for Yorkton. If the applications were made in triplicate rather than duplicate the farmer would have something to show that he had made the application. We know that we farmers are not good bookkeepers. If copies were retained by the applicants they would be of assistance to the farmers as well as to the officials.

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NAT

Richard Burpee Hanson

National Government

Mr. HANSON (York-Sunbury):

In regard

to this $2 an acre wheat acreage reduction bonus, as I understand it the policy put into effect in 1940 provides that payments may be made in 1941 and in 1942 on the same acreage. Now the minister says he is going to make the same payment in 1943. Is that to be a continuous process? Is the bonus to be the same each year for the same area, without additional acreage reduction?

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

The fact that the act

expires each year indicates there is no determination to make it permanent. It applies from year to year.

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NAT

Richard Burpee Hanson

National Government

Mr. HANSON (York-Sunbury):

How long

will it last?

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

I am not in a position to say. If someone starts taking the wheat I suppose it will be discontinued.

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NAT

Richard Burpee Hanson

National Government

Mr. HANSON (York-Sunbury):

During

the war.

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Robert Gardiner

Mr. GARDENER:

Probably.

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CCF

Thomas Clement (Tommy) Douglas

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. DOUGLAS (Weyburn):

Perhaps this

question might be asked more properly when

Wheat Acreage Reduction Act

the estimates are before the committee, but can the minister give us any idea of the administrative costs last year and the previous year?

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

That information is

contained in a return. I can look it up; but if it would be satisfactory I will give it when the estimates are before the committee.

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CCF

George Hugh Castleden

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. CASTLEDEN:

In spite of the fact that many fanners have complied with the department's request to reduce their wheat acreage, and in spite of the fact that the government said they could take 280,000,000 bushels of wheat this year, so far they have taken only about 170,000,000. I would say there are about 400,000,000 bushels of wheat out on the farms. Could some provision be made through this measure by which- an advance could be given to the farmers who have complied w'ith the regulation? It would give them some compensation as an advance for wheat on their farms; it would not be considered as a gift. The money would be there, and that is just as good as the wheat in the bin. It would give tremendous relief to farmers in that part of the country who have not been allowed to deliver grain.

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

I am afraid that is somewhat outside the scope of this bill. I should not like to get into a discussion of that, because it really does not concern my department. It is the concern of the Department of Trade and Commerce.

Resolution reported, read the second time and concurred in.

Mr. Gardiner thereupon moved for leave to introduce Bill No. 66, to amend the Wheat Acreage Reduction Act, 1942.

Motion agreed to and bill read the first time.

Mr. GARDINER moved the second reading of the bill.

He said: There is a copy of this bill available for each member of the house. As I have stated already, farmers have been waiting since last September for these payments. If it meets with the approval of the house I should like to go right ahead with the bill because these payments cannot be made until it is passed. They should have been made last September.

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NAT

Richard Burpee Hanson

National Government

Mr. HANSON (York-Sunbury):

I would not want to take the responsibility of holding up the bill if it is urgent, but it is regrettable that it has been brought up on a Friday afternoon when a number of members who

are interested in it are absent. Perhaps that is their fault. If the minister will give an undertaking that this is an urgent matter, I will not invoke the rule which would prevent him from going on.

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

It is most urgent. If I did not get an opportunity of going on with it next week, it would have to go over until the first of May which would prevent farmers getting their payments before entering into seeding.

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April 9, 1943