April 7, 1943

LIB

William Henry Golding

Liberal

Mr. GOLDING:

-which is, John Bracken.

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Subtopic:   MR. JOHN BRACKEN REFERENCE TO NEWS ITEM IN PRESS OF APRIL 6
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MILITARY SERVICE


On the orders of the day:


LIB-PRO

Hugh Alexander MacKenzie

Liberal Progressive

Mr. H. A. MacKENZIE (Lambton-Kent):

Mr. Speaker, in view of the shortage of farm labour I would like to direct a question to the Minister of Labour. What steps have, been taken to see that farm workers who have been employed in industry or construction work under permits during the past few months are being- directed back to the farms for spring work? ' : [DOT][DOT] . [DOT][DOT]

Military Service

Topic:   QUESTIONS PASSED AS ORDERS FOR RETURNS
Subtopic:   MILITARY SERVICE
Sub-subtopic:   TEMPORARY PERMITS TO FARM WORKERS FOR EMPLOYMENT IN INDUSTRY .
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LIB

Humphrey Mitchell (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Hon. HUMPHREY MITCHELL (Minister of Labour):

Men who are in essential industry are granted postponement from military service because they are essential to agriculture. During the non-active farming season they are given temporary permits to accept employment in industry, primary or otherwise, which permits expire when the seasonal farm work starts.

A number of farmers are working on temporary permits in many industries in Canada. The managers of employment and selective service offices across Canada have been notified that men at present in industry are to be reassigned to farms just as soon as the farm work opens up.

My hon. friend, who probably knows more about farming than I do, will understand that the farming season opens at different times in different parts of the dominion; and we felt that it was the best thing to do to leave farmers in this temporary employment until farming conditions opened up for the spring season. If the temporary permits authorizing them to engage in employment other than farming expire prior to the date the farm work opens up, managers in all districts have been authorized to arrange continuation of the temporary employment for as long a period as is consistent with the farming needs, and, in individual cases, when the employment is in the national interest. May I say it is very necessary that farmers notify the nearest employment office of their requirements for men or women in order that the employment offices may plan the placement work intelligently.

Topic:   QUESTIONS PASSED AS ORDERS FOR RETURNS
Subtopic:   MILITARY SERVICE
Sub-subtopic:   TEMPORARY PERMITS TO FARM WORKERS FOR EMPLOYMENT IN INDUSTRY .
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PC

Norman James Macdonald Lockhart

Progressive Conservative

Mr. LOCKHART:

I have a further question which has a direct bearing on the statement just made by the Minister of Labour.

I understood the minister to say in effect that those who were urgently in need of help on the farm were to apply to the national selective service board, and that their applications would receive immediate attention.

I will give the minister complete information in writing. Are the national selective service boards in a position to divert labour from industry to meet this most urgent situation which I will bring to the minister's attention? They have already said they cannot do so, that they have no authority.

Topic:   QUESTIONS PASSED AS ORDERS FOR RETURNS
Subtopic:   MILITARY SERVICE
Sub-subtopic:   TEMPORARY PERMITS TO FARM WORKERS FOR EMPLOYMENT IN INDUSTRY .
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LIB

Humphrey Mitchell (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. MITCHELL:

My hon. friend will remember that I spoke of men who came from the farm into industry during the winter season. Of course they will have to return to the farm for the summer. They had per-

mits for the winter. My hon. friend can rest assured that these people will go back to the farms.

Topic:   QUESTIONS PASSED AS ORDERS FOR RETURNS
Subtopic:   MILITARY SERVICE
Sub-subtopic:   TEMPORARY PERMITS TO FARM WORKERS FOR EMPLOYMENT IN INDUSTRY .
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PC

Norman James Macdonald Lockhart

Progressive Conservative

Mr. LOCKHART:

One further question. Advice has been given in this instance that men might be obtained from certain camps, men who object to doing military service. Will the minister explain the method of payment in that case? Are these men to be paid the regular wages, or is the money to be paid to the government, the men to receive what the government has set as the wages allowed to men who will not perform military service? There is a conflict in that respect. .

Topic:   QUESTIONS PASSED AS ORDERS FOR RETURNS
Subtopic:   MILITARY SERVICE
Sub-subtopic:   TEMPORARY PERMITS TO FARM WORKERS FOR EMPLOYMENT IN INDUSTRY .
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LIB

Humphrey Mitchell (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. MITCHELL:

There need not be any conflict. We are not going to let anyone compete unfairly with the going rate of wages in the district. What is contemplated under the order in council is that the maximum amount that can be paid to these people is $25 a month and board. Anything additional will be paid to the Red Cross. If the going rate is $40 a month and board, the man gets $25 and the balance is paid to the Red Cross.

Topic:   QUESTIONS PASSED AS ORDERS FOR RETURNS
Subtopic:   MILITARY SERVICE
Sub-subtopic:   TEMPORARY PERMITS TO FARM WORKERS FOR EMPLOYMENT IN INDUSTRY .
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SC

Frederick Davis Shaw

Social Credit

Mr. SHAW:

Is there not a regulation which provides that a farmer who obtains a permit for temporary employment in industry may be kept there if his services are essential to industry?

Topic:   QUESTIONS PASSED AS ORDERS FOR RETURNS
Subtopic:   MILITARY SERVICE
Sub-subtopic:   TEMPORARY PERMITS TO FARM WORKERS FOR EMPLOYMENT IN INDUSTRY .
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LIB

Humphrey Mitchell (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. MITCHELL:

I am not quite clear as to my hon. friend's question. Which industry?

Topic:   QUESTIONS PASSED AS ORDERS FOR RETURNS
Subtopic:   MILITARY SERVICE
Sub-subtopic:   TEMPORARY PERMITS TO FARM WORKERS FOR EMPLOYMENT IN INDUSTRY .
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SC

Frederick Davis Shaw

Social Credit

Mr. SHAW:

A farmer has obtained a permit to take temporary employment in a war industry; according to the regulations can he not secure a further permit to remain in the war industry if it can be shown that his services are essential to that industry?

Topic:   QUESTIONS PASSED AS ORDERS FOR RETURNS
Subtopic:   MILITARY SERVICE
Sub-subtopic:   TEMPORARY PERMITS TO FARM WORKERS FOR EMPLOYMENT IN INDUSTRY .
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LIB

Humphrey Mitchell (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. MITCHELL:

I do not want to give too definite an answer. The exception does not prove the rule. But I do not think the services of any farmer who left the farm, say this winter, to go into industry, would have become so essential to that industry as to warrant his being kept there. He should go back to the farm.

Topic:   QUESTIONS PASSED AS ORDERS FOR RETURNS
Subtopic:   MILITARY SERVICE
Sub-subtopic:   TEMPORARY PERMITS TO FARM WORKERS FOR EMPLOYMENT IN INDUSTRY .
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SC

Frederick Davis Shaw

Social Credit

Mr. SHAW:

The minister says he should go back. What I should like to know is whether or not he will be compelled to go back.

Procedure in Questions

Topic:   QUESTIONS PASSED AS ORDERS FOR RETURNS
Subtopic:   MILITARY SERVICE
Sub-subtopic:   TEMPORARY PERMITS TO FARM WORKERS FOR EMPLOYMENT IN INDUSTRY .
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LIB

Humphrey Mitchell (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. MITCHELL:

I say he will go back in that case. But the exception does not prove the rule.

Topic:   QUESTIONS PASSED AS ORDERS FOR RETURNS
Subtopic:   MILITARY SERVICE
Sub-subtopic:   TEMPORARY PERMITS TO FARM WORKERS FOR EMPLOYMENT IN INDUSTRY .
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INQUIRY OF THE MINISTRY


On the orders of the day:


CCF

Angus MacInnis

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. ANGUS MacINNIS (Vancouver East):

I wish to direct a question to the Minister of Finance or the Minister of Agriculture. I am in receipt of a telegram from certain independent meat packers and processors in Vancouver in which the charge is made that orders issued by the wartime prices and trade board and by the bacon board favour eastern packers as against western packers. A charge of this nature is serious and should, I think, be replied to without delay.

Topic:   QUESTIONS PASSED AS ORDERS FOR RETURNS
Subtopic:   INQUIRY OF THE MINISTRY
Sub-subtopic:   PROCEDURE IN QUESTIONS ON THE ORDERS OF THE DAT
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LIB

Thomas Vien (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER:

The hon. gentleman will understand that this question is clearly of the kind which should not be asked on the orders of the day.

Topic:   QUESTIONS PASSED AS ORDERS FOR RETURNS
Subtopic:   INQUIRY OF THE MINISTRY
Sub-subtopic:   PROCEDURE IN QUESTIONS ON THE ORDERS OF THE DAT
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CCF

Angus MacInnis

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. MacINNIS:

If this is a question not to be asked in the house, what sort of question can be asked? I have listened-

Topic:   QUESTIONS PASSED AS ORDERS FOR RETURNS
Subtopic:   INQUIRY OF THE MINISTRY
Sub-subtopic:   PROCEDURE IN QUESTIONS ON THE ORDERS OF THE DAT
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April 7, 1943