February 15, 1943

LIB

Thomas Reid

Liberal

Mr. REID:

Do not answer that.

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LIB

Donald Alexander McNiven

Liberal

Mr. McNIVEN:

I will not attempt to. But I know of a great many students who, but for the assistance they have received from scholarships granted by this government and by the various provincial governments, would have been denied an university education.

Again, the hon. member speaks about health standards. I am quite ready to admit that they are not perfect, that they are not as good as we would like them to be. But the tone of all the utterances, both- here and elsewhere, of the group to which my hon. friend belongs,-C.C.F.-is that nothing of that kind is being done in this country. All the hon. gentleman has to do is to go to our own province, where for eighteen years tuberculosis has been treated free of charge, in two public institutions, with the result that our province enjoys one of the lowest mortality rates from tuberculosis of any province or similar area in the world. Our cancer clinic is open to all those who cannot pay. I recall that a few years ago the hon. gentleman cited one isolated case, just as he did here this evening, wherein, he said, some individual had been refused medical treatment. In reply I described his remarks as an insult to the medical profession of our province. I repeat that to-day. We have in our province, in the men and women belonging to the medical and nursing professions, including those engaged in the hospitals, just as fine a body of men and women as will be found anywhere.

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CCF

George Hugh Castleden

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. CASTLEDEN:

Does the hon. member know how many there are?

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LIB

Donald Alexander McNiven

Liberal

Mr. McNIVEN:

Yes; and I would say that fully half of them are to-day in the armed forces. I know that fifty per cent of the doctors from my own city have enlisted.

The hon. gentleman, too, deprecates the fact that provision has not already been made for soldier representation in the House of Commons. In that connection I suppose he would charge the government with lack of sincerity and suggest that they do not desire to recognize the soldiers' rights. But I say, sir, that the province from which he comes

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was one of the first to recognize the soldiers in the last' war and did give them representation.

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CCF

George Hugh Castleden

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. CASTLEDEN:

On a point of order, the hon. member for Regina City stated that I deprecated the fact that there was no representation of the armed forces in the house at the present time. That is not my statement and I should like to have it withdrawn.

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LIB

Thomas Vien (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER:

That is not a point of order.

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LIB

Donald Alexander McNiven

Liberal

Mr. McNIVEN:

Well, sir, I want to repeat that in the fall of 1916-

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CCF

George Hugh Castleden

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. CASTLEDEN:

On a point of order-

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LIB

Thomas Vien (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER:

What the hon. gentleman states is not a point of order. It is a denial.

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CCF

George Hugh Castleden

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. CASTLEDEN:

I ask that the hon. member withdraw it.

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

He did not say what the hon. gentleman says he said.

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LIB

Thomas Vien (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER:

The hon. member has not stated anything against the hon. gentleman except to offer an opinion with regard to remarks which he made, and that is perfectly in order.

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CCF

George Hugh Castleden

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. CASTLEDEN:

I did not make those remarks.

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LIB

Donald Alexander McNiven

Liberal

Mr. McNIYEN:

I repeat that in the fall of 1916 or in the spring of 1917 the Saskatchewan legislature made provision for soldier representation in that legislature. Liberalism recognized it as a principle then, and three members were elected, two from the active forces in France, and the third from those on active service in England. So that the hon. member does not have to go beyond the confines of our own province to find full recognition of soldiers' rights in the matter of representation.

The party to which I belong, as well as the province from which I come has expressed itself recently on this matter of social security, and I cannot do better than read to the house a resolution that was passed at the annual meeting of the Saskatchewan Liberal Association on January 12 with regard to the subject.

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CCF

Clarence Gillis

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. GILLIS:

What year was that?

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LIB

Donald Alexander McNiven

Liberal

Mr. McNIVEN:

1943.

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NAT

Ernest Edward Perley

National Government

Mr. PERLEY:

After the Winnipeg convention.

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LIB

Donald Alexander McNiven

Liberal

Mr. McNIVEN:

If I may deal with the interrupters in order, substance of the interruptions being the same namely, the suggestion that it was a last minute conversion to the policy of social security, may I ask the hon. member for Qu'Appelle (Mr. Perley) to take the hon. member for Cape Breton South (Mr. Gillis) into the corridor after the house adjourns, and tell him what has been done in the way of social security in our own province over the last twenty-five years. Let him tell that hon. gentleman of the policies introduced there. They do not go as far as we would have them go, I will admit, but the principle has been recognized, and it will be developed and carried along until the day comes, we hope, when proper provision will be made for all those who find themselves in unfortunate and difficult circumstances.

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William Earl Rowe

National Government

Mr. ROWE:

There was not much progress until the Winnipeg convention.

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LIB

Donald Alexander McNiven

Liberal

Mr. McNIVEN:

If the hon. member for Qu'Appelle will take the hon. member who has just interrupted and give him a lesson in what has taken place in our province he will not be so satisfied as to the merits of his position.

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February 15, 1943