July 27, 1942

LIB

Georges Parent (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER:

The point of order raised by the hon. member is not affected by what the hon. member who has just taken his seat has said. In the discussion this afternoon I was dealing with something that was specifically excluded from the terms of the amendment. If a member thinks fit to make an attack upon individuals who are not members of the house, so long as he does not say anything that is opprobrious to the house he may do so under the rule. Of course it will all depend upon the taste of the hon. member who is speaking.

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William Ross Macdonald

Liberal

Mr. MACDONALD (Brantford City):

I was putting on Hansard the record of the Minister of National Defence, which I think is a most honourable one.

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Gordon Knapman Fraser

National Government

Mr. FRASER (Peterborough West):

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, I believe you took objection to hon. members mentioning anything about Chief Justice Duff in regard to this commission. Mr. George Drew was also a member of the commission.

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Some hon. MEMBERS:

No.

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Gordon Knapman Fraser

National Government

Mr. FRASER (Peterborough West):

He

was one of the counsel, and I see no more reason why hon. members should be allowed to talk about George Drew than about the chief justice. It is simply closure; that is all.

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LIB

Georges Parent (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER:

I am afraid Mr. Drew would hardly come within the category of those described in the standing order of the house, which refers to those who may be holding high positions.

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Some hon. MEMBERS:

Oh, oh.

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Georges Parent (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER:

I do not wish this to be taken in a spirit of levity; I am replying as

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seriously as I can to the point of order raised by the hon. member. I think he will agree with me that the characterization of a high official position, as set out in the standing order, would denote a man who might be in the position of chief justice of this country.

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LIB

William Ross Macdonald

Liberal

Mr. MACDONALD (Brantford City):

Well, Mr. Speaker, I take it that the administration of the Department of National Defence has been specifically questioned by the amendment. I am endeavouring to place on Hansard the record during the last war of the present Minister of National Defence, which I repeat, is a most honourable one. He was born of United Empire Loyalist stock; went overseas with the 85th battalion as a major in 1916; went to France on February 10, 1917; served continuously until the armistice, returning to England in April, 1919, and to Canada in June, 1919. He was gazetted lieutenant-colonel on August 3, 1918, while in France; he received the C.M.G. and D.S.O. with bar. He was mentioned in dispatches twice; was gazetted colonel in 1924, after the war; was sworn in as a privy councillor and appointed Minister of National Defence in the King cabinet in 1926. He was Canada's delegate to the London naval conference of 1930. I could go on at much greater length, Mr. Speaker, and tell of the great experience he has acquired and the fine service he has rendered to Canada.

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James Arthur Ross

National Government

Mr. ROSS (Souris):

Who wrote that?

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Frederick Clayton Casselman

Mr. CASSELMAN:

I hope the hon. member noticed that the Minister of National Defence answered that question by pointing to himself as the author of that biography.

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LIB

William Ross Macdonald

Liberal

Mr. MACDONALD (Brantford City):

I

do know who wrote it, but I know it is true, and I defy any hon. member to rise in his place in this house and question it. Then I should like to put on record something of the life of Lieutenant-General Andrew George McNaughton. He attended the Royal Staff College at Camberley, England, and, the Imperial Defence College at London. He was adviser to the Canadian delegation to the imperial conference in England in 1929, as well as the conference for limitation of armaments at Geneva, Switzerland, in 1932. He was a member of the committee on transAtlantic air service at the imperial economic conference at Ottawa in 1932. He has been chairman from 1933 to the present time of the national research council associate committee on survey research, and was chairman of the interdepartmental committee on the trans-Canada airways from 1933 to 1935. He was chief of the Canadian general staff from 1929 to 1935 and president of the National

Research Council of Canada from 1935 to 1939. He was in charge of a special course for university candidates for commissions in the regular army at McGill university during 1909 and 1910; was a lieutenant in the 3rd battery, Canadian Field Artillery, 1910; captain, 1911; major, 1913; major of the 4th battery, C.F.A., C.EF., 1914; wounded, second battle of Ypres, 1915; major, 21st battery, C.F.A., C.E.F., 1915; promoted

lieutenant-colonel and to command 11th artillery brigade, 1916; wounded, 1918; promoted brigadier-general, 1918; in command of the Canadian corps heavy artillery, and so on. I could go on at much greater length, Mr. Speaker, and tell more of his accomplishments as a military man. I am quite ready to agree that Mr. George Drew was a splendid soldier, but Lieutenant Drew of the last war is not to be compared with Lieutenant-General McNaughton, or our own Minister of National Defence, or the other ministers of defence associated with him.

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Some hon. MEMBERS:

Eleven o'clock.

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LIB

William Ross Macdonald

Liberal

Mr. MACDONALD (Brantford City):

I think if I had another five minutes I could conclude my remarks.

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Some hon. MEMBERS:

No.

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LIB

William Ross Macdonald

Liberal

Mr. MACDONALD (Brantford):

If hon.

members would allow me to continue for not more than ten minutes-

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Some hon. MEMBERS:

No.

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LIB

William Ross Macdonald

Liberal

Mr. MACDONALD (Brantford City):

Then I move the adjournment of the debate.

On motion of Mr. Macdonald (Brantford City) the debate was adjourned. _

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BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE

LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

To-morrow I think it would suit the convenience of hon. members to proceed with this debate immediately after prayers, and return to motions after the debate is concluded. If that is the case, I will indicate in the morning that we will proceed to government orders and take up the particular orders we have been discussing to-day.

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July 27, 1942