July 24, 1942

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Robert Gardiner

Mr. GARDINER:

The department does

not supply the serum, but it is purchased in the ordinary commercial way by anyone who wishes to have it. The department, however, supervises the importation of it when it comes from outside, and checks on the different serums put out to deal with diseases of this kind. There is no financial assistance in connection with the purchase of the serum. We have, however, investigated costs. There have been complaints as to costs, but so far we have not been able to find that there have been any excessive charges in connection with the supplying of it.

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LIB

Howard Waldemar Winkler

Liberal

Mr. WINKLER:

The charge may not be

excessive, but the profit to the druggist is, I believe, 100 per cent. I have no complaint against the druggist making a legitimate profit, but I think that is a little high.

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LIB

Jesse Pickard Tripp

Liberal

Mr. TRIPP:

There never has been and

is not now any profit of 100 per cent or anything like that in connection with the supplying of serum to farmers, or anybody else.

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NAT

Gordon Knapman Fraser

National Government

Mr. FRASER (Peterborough West):

There should not be any profit.

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LIB

Jesse Pickard Tripp

Liberal

Mr. TRIPP:

You would not expect anyone to handle it for nothing, would you? The druggist does not charge any more than the government does for such products. Druggists handle them at the same price. They might get a 10 per cent discount for handling, but the price at the drug store is the same as the price from the government department.

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NAT

Gordon Knapman Fraser

National Government

Mr. FRASER (Peterborough West):

Could people not send to the department directly for the serum?

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LIB

Jesse Pickard Tripp

Liberal

Mr. TRIPP:

I think they do sometimes.

I know in my own province the serum for poliomyelitis is handled by both the department and the distributors. It is not always done through the druggists; sometimes the municipalities handle it. However, it is all supplied at the same price. If the municipalities distribute it they get the same discount as do the druggists. The retail price is

Supply-Agriculture

marked on the package, and the price received by the druggist is not increased in any shape or form. I do not wish the committee to think anyone is making 100 per cent profit; that is absolutely wrong.

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CON

Mark Cecil Senn

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SENN:

I should like to ask about the serum sometimes used in the treatment of Bang's disease, one of the most scurrilous and damaging diseases in Canada to-day. I understand the agricultural college at Guelph has a serum it is willing to distribute, but there is something in the federal act which prohibits its doing so. Has any advance been made in connection with preparing a serum which will deal effectively with this bad disease which is causing so much trouble in our dairy herds?

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Robert Gardiner

Mr. GARDINER:

I presume the hon. member has in mind the calf vaccine, which is made in the United States. It is produced in Canada now, although it was not made here originally. During the last year permission has been given to distribute it in Canada.

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Mark Cecil Senn

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SENN:

In addition to the vaccine for calves I understand there is a serum used in the treatment of cows in calf, and that there has been a prohibition in connection with its coming into the country. There has also been prohibition in connection with distribution from time to time. I know it has been used by veterinaries with very good results, and I trust that the prohibition will not be continued.

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Robert Gardiner

Mr. GARDINER:

The department does not recognize the use of any serum for older animals. There is a calf serum or vaccine used as a preventive. Then, the department does test cattle for Bang's disease. In other words, it checks them to find out whether they react, and if there is positive reaction their destruction is advised.

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CON

Mark Cecil Senn

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SENN:

I am trying to find out whether the importation of serum used in connection with the more aged cattle is prohibited, and if it is prohibited to use the serum provided by the agricultural college at Guelph. I know that serum has been used with very good effect at times, and I would hope, if there is any ban on the importation or use of serum, that at least in the hands of veterinaries it might be allowed.

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Robert Gardiner

Mr. GARDINER:

The information I have from the officials is that my hon. friend must have in mind the calf vaccine. The serum containing live cultures is not permitted to be imported.

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CON

Mark Cecil Senn

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SENN:

I was asking if that prohibition should be done away with.

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Robert Gardiner

Mr. GARDINER:

There is no permission for the importation of the serum containing live cultures, and the only vaccine of which we are aware, which is sometimes used, is not used on the older animals.

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Item agreed to. Science service. 8. Botany and plant pathology, $282,582.


CCF

Percy Ellis Wright

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. WRIGHT:

How far have we gone in the development of rust-resistant barley?

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Robert Gardiner

Mr. GARDINER:

I would suggest that we leave that until we are discussing the estimates for experimental farms. The officials before me are not experimental farm officials.

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NAT

Heber Harold Hatfield

National Government

Mr. HATFIELD:

Will the decrease of $2,515 have any effect on the service?

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Robert Gardiner

Mr. GARDINER:

As a matter of fact we are not cutting out any services or officials; it is simply a matter of general economy.

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July 24, 1942