July 22, 1942

REPORTS OF COMMITTEES


Second and final report of special committee on defence of Canada regulations.-Mr. McKinnon (Kenora-Rainy River). Sixth report of standing committee on agriculture and colonization.-Mr. Weir.


QUESTIONS


(Questions answered orally are indicated by an asterisk.


GIMLI, MAN., AIRPORT

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Mr. COLD WELL:

1. Has an airport been built at Gimli. Manitoba?

2. Who has the contract?

3. What amounts have been paid for, (a) fencing, (b) clearing the land of brush, (c) excavating, (d) surfacing, (e) erection of buildings?

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Mr. RALSTON: (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

1. Construction now under way.

2. Bird Construction Company.

3. (a), (b), (c), (d) Accounts have not yet been received covering actual expenditures. The projected cost of aerodrome development is $1,113,500.

(e) The estimated cost of the proposed buildings is $1,276,600, but the contract has not yet been let.

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PURCHASE OF LAND IN POINTE CLAIRE PARISH,. QUE.-RENTAL TO AIR FORCE FOR MANNING DEPOT

LIB

Mr. MARIER:

Liberal

1. Did Mr. A. G. Houghton purchase from Ames Dawes Realty on the 7th of May, 1941, a farm bearing the following numbers: 197-198-

External Affairs

That it is expedient to amend the Department of Externa] Affairs Act to provide for the application of the Civil Service Superannuation Act to certain diplomatic or consular representatives.

Motion agreed to and the house went into committee, Mr. Fournier (Hull) in the chair.

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

I will make the same explanation at this stage that ordinarily I would make on the motion for first reading of the bill. This explanation is one which will be found in the explanatory note forming part of the bill which will be introduced later.

Under the existing constitutional practice, appointments as ministers plenipotentiary, as consuls general and as consuls are made by His Majesty the King. Since the beginning of I93S there have been three appointments of Canadian permanent civil servants as ministers plenipotentiary and three appointments as consuls. The Department of Justice has ruled that, upon appointment as a minister plenipotentiary a civil servant ceases to be eligible to contribute to the superannuation fund, and there is some doubt as to the position of permanent civil servants who are appointed to consular posts.

In the case of the appointments as ministers plenipotentiary, the appointees were placed upon a lower salary scale than that which had been established for persons appointed from outside of the civil service with the understanding that they would be eligible or made eligible to contribute to and to receive the benefits of superannuation. There is one instance in which a permanent civil servant so appointed has since died.

It is therefore necessary to amend the Department of External Affairs Act so as to ensure that civil servants performing duties which involve appointment by His Majesty the King will not lose their status as permanent civil servants and also to enable such civil servants or the estates or the widows in appropriate cases to refund the appropriate percentage of their salaries for the period between the dates of their appointment and the coming into force of this act or, in the case of a deceased person, the date of his death.

In a word it means simply this that where appointments are made from the permanent civil service to- diplomatic posts, if the appointees had been contributing to the superannuation fund, unless this amendment is passed to the Department of External Affairs Act they will lose all the benefits of that fund. This is to enable an appointee from the service to sc diplomatic post to have refunded to the treasury the amount he would

have to make by way of contribution to get the benefits of superannuation at the end of his term.

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Thomas Langton Church

National Government

Mr. CHURCH:

I see no necessity for any of these vast expenditures on external affairs, especially when there is a war on. This committee passed a draft estimate, and after it was passed a very large sum of money was run up by the government and the Minister of External Affairs in opening many of these new agencies which were already covered by trade commissioners.

We should have some economy in these matters connected with the Department of External Affairs. Many of these are only amateur diplomats who have had no training for their work. So far as this department is concerned, they are not functioning in the way they should be. I have in mind the one in Eire, and several others. It is bad enough in a time of peace to have divisions within the empire, but in a time of war it is even more fatal.

Some of these envoys and ministers plenipotentiary are causing untold strife among the dominions, and in addition to that they are interfering with the conduct of the war. Let us consider Washington, for example; we have a small expeditionary force there, in which there are representatives of the army, the navy, the air force, and even the women's army. They put on all the airs and manners of a nation of 75,000,000 people. Australia and New Zealand have not gone to that extent. Those people are here to-day and away to-morrow, because they will be changed with every change of government. So far as I can see, they have done little or nothing in Washington compared with what they should have done.

I am absolutely opposed to the extension of the principle of envoys and ambassadors, and the disregard of the fact that we are a nation of only around 11,000,000 people. I am opposed to this extension of the application of superannuation to these diplomats. This matter should be considered when the estimates are before the committee, and should not be put through in this form. There should be a vote before the committee of supply, and yet we' have not had a dollar voted by that committee. This is the 114th day of the session, and yet we have not considered one item in the Department of External Affairs.

Out of respect for the Prime Minister I do not wish to delay the progress of the resolution. I believe, however, we should pay heed to the handwriting on the wall and try to reduce our expenditures, because after all is said and done a man cannot learn to be an

Mobilization Act

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Grote Stirling

National Government

Mr. STIRLING:

I suggest that third reading be delayed until to-morrow.

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Some hon. MEMBERS:

No.

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LIB

Jean-François Pouliot

Liberal

Mr. POLTLIOT:

I am ready.

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Georges Parent (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER:

Standing order 77 reads:

All amendments made in committee are reported by the Chairman to the house, which shall receive the same forthwith. After report the bill is open to debate and amendment, before it is ordered for a third reading. But when a bill is reported without amendment, it is forthwith ordered to be read a third time at such time as may be appointed by the house.

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Grote Stirling

National Government

Mr. STIRLING:

May I direct your attention to citation 811 of Beauchesne, which in the latter part states: .

The Speaker formally puts the motion for the second reading of the same, and if it is carried he says: "When shall the bill be read a third time?" and the answer generally is "next sitting of the house."

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William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

I think the hon. member has stated the matter correctly when he says the answer generally is "next sitting of the house," but as a matter of right the house would be entitled to third reading at the present time.

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Grote Stirling

National Government

Mr. STIRLING:

That is so.

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

However, I presume that if we proceeded with the third reading to-night we should not be able to conclude it, and in the circumstances I 'would regard it as preferable to proceed with the third reading to-morrow. In the interval between now and eleven o'clock we might get a few more of the departments into committee of supply, so that we may be able to proceed with them later on.

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LIB

Georges Parent (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER:

When shall the bill be read a third time?

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July 22, 1942