July 21, 1942

PUBLIC EXPENDITURES

PRESS REPORT AS TO MEASURES OF SUPERVISION AND CONTROL


On the orders of the day:


NAT

Richard Burpee Hanson (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Hon. R. B. HANSON (Leader of the Opposition):

In the Ottawa Citizen of last

evening appears an item entitled "Cabinet now studying scope of authority to be given new control." The article goes on to state:

Steps are being taken for a more rigorous control of government expenditures and particularly the elimination of needless extravagance or waste.

I should like to ask the Minister of Finance if the report appearing in last evening's press, to the effect that it is proposed to establish a new supervisory authority in order to exercise greater control of governmental expenditures, and particularly to eliminate needless extravagance, is correct? If so, when may formal announcement of this proposal be expected? It may be recalled that on more than one occasion I have made reference to the setting aside of the provisions of the Consolidated Revenue and Audit Act and to the terms of the order in council under which that was done. Apparently this has not been sufficient and it has not worked out properly. There has been great waste and extravagance. Is the government alarmed over this situation? If so, it is a very helpful sign.

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LIB

Thomas Alexander Crerar (Minister of Mines and Resources)

Liberal

Mr. CRERAR:

Where has there been

great waste and extravagance?

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NAT

Richard Burpee Hanson (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. HANSON (York-Sunbury):

It is

evident, everywhere.

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LIB

Thomas Alexander Crerar (Minister of Mines and Resources)

Liberal

Mr. CRERAR:

My hon. friend should not

make a statement of that kind without giving an instance of it.

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NAT

Richard Burpee Hanson (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. HANSON (York-Sunbury):

All you

have to do is to read the debates of this house.

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LIB

Ian Alistair Mackenzie (Minister of Pensions and National Health)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE (Vancouver Centre):

Mr. Speaker, on a point of order-

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LIB

Thomas Alexander Crerar (Minister of Mines and Resources)

Liberal

Mr. CRERAR:

Mr. Speaker-

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NAT

Richard Burpee Hanson (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. HANSON (York-Sunbury):

I have

the floor.

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LIB

Thomas Alexander Crerar (Minister of Mines and Resources)

Liberal

Mr. CRERAR:

My hon. friend is as good as anyone at interrupting in the house. When the hon. gentleman makes a statement that there has been great waste and extravagance, he should be able to give at least one specific instance.

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NAT

Richard Burpee Hanson (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. HANSON (York-Sunbury):

I am not

going to do that now, but I shall give the minister references to Hansard where this has been pointed out. What I want to know from the Minister of Finance is when we may expect a formal announcement of this new proposal, how far it will go, and whether it will be retroactive?

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LIB

James Lorimer Ilsley (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Hon. J. L. ILSLEY (Minister of Finance):

The report is completely unauthorized so far as the government is concerned. A specific proposal for the watching of a certain class of expenditure was discussed informally in the government some time ago, and it may be that one of my colleagues, not myself, will be in a position to make a statement before the session ends. I would point out that that proposal will have nothing to do with expenditures dealt with under the amendment to the Consolidated Revenue and Audit Act to which my hon. friend has referred; it will be of a different character altogether. I assume that that is what the article refers to, but as I have not seen or read the article I do not know.

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MILITARY SERVICE

QUESTION AS TO SELECTION BY LOT


On the orders of the day:


CON

John George Diefenbaker

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. J. G. DIEFENBAKER (Lake Centre):

I should like to ask a question of the Minister of National War Services with reference to the programme of calling up men for service under the National Resources Mobilization Act. Is it the intention of the government that the selection of men who are to serve as a result of these calls shall be determined by lot?

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LIB

Joseph Thorarinn Thorson (Minister of National War Services)

Liberal

Hon. J. T. THORSON (Minister of National War Services):

The system of selection by lot will not be effective in time for the calls in August. Whether the system will be effective

Labour Conditions

for later calls, I am not yet certain. The whole question of calling men by lot is under reconsideration.

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LABOUR CONDITIONS

July 21, 1942