July 15, 1942

LIB

James Layton Ralston (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. RALSTON:

The ground of objection is that it is not considered in the public interest to produce the proceedings of courts martial.

The officer himself is entitled to a copy of the proceedings of the court martial and will get it under the usual terms. Otherwise, it would mean that parliament would be acting as a court of appeal in connection with courts martial which are held by military officers. The officers act in accordance with their military duties in dealing with courts martial, and this court martial having been dealt with by officers duly appointed, having been confirmed bjf the divisional commander, and having been confirmed by the corps commander, it is not considered in the public interest to produce the documents.

Topic:   MOTIONS FOR PAPERS
Subtopic:   COURT MARTIAL OF MAJOR H. C. SINGER
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LIB

Georges Parent (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER:

Those in favour of the motion will say "Aye". I declare the motion lost.

Topic:   MOTIONS FOR PAPERS
Subtopic:   COURT MARTIAL OF MAJOR H. C. SINGER
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PUBLIC SERVICE-DEPARTMENTAL COSTS-NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES, 1938-42

NAT

Thomas Langton Church

National Government

Mr. CHURCH:

For a return showing-1. The cost of operating, during the fiscal periods ending March 31, in each of the years, 1938, 1939, 1940, 1941, 1942, the following departments and branches of government: Agriculture, Auditor General's

office, Chief Electoral Officer's office, Civil Service Commission, External Affairs, Finance, Fisheries, Governor General and Lieutenant Governor, Insurance, Justice, Labour, Mines and Resources, National Defence, National Revenue, Pensions and National Health, Post Office, Prime Minister's office, Privy Council office, Public Archives, Public Printing and Stationery, Public Works, Royal Canadian Mounted Police, Secretary of State, and Munitions and Supply, including salaries and wages paid to executives and clerical staffs.

2. The number of employees in each of the above departments, in the years 1938, 1939, 1940, 1941 and 1942, and the total salaries paid.

3. The number of employees engaged by permanent commissions under the federal government, (a) civil-for the above years; (b) war-by years since established.

4. The total number of staff and employees of all departments and commissions in existence in 1938, 1939, 1940, 1941 and 1942.

Topic:   PUBLIC SERVICE-DEPARTMENTAL COSTS-NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES, 1938-42
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LIB

James Lorimer Ilsley (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. ILSLEY:

I have written a letter to my hon. friend about this, and I suggest that the matter stand until he has had an opportunity to consider the letter, if he has not already done so.

Topic:   PUBLIC SERVICE-DEPARTMENTAL COSTS-NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES, 1938-42
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NAT

Thomas Langton Church

National Government

Mr. CHURCH:

I shall confer with the minister; I shall be glad to do so. I think it is in the public interest, though, that the people should know what the costs of these outside commissions are, and they should know before this house closes.

Motion stands.

Customs Tariff

Topic:   PUBLIC SERVICE-DEPARTMENTAL COSTS-NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES, 1938-42
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HONG KONG COMMISSION

REQUEST FOR TABLING OF LETTER FROM COLONEL DREW


On the orders of the day:


LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Right Hon. W. L. MACKENZIE KING (Prime Minister):

Yesterday I promised my hon. friend the leader of the Cooperative Commonwealth Federation (Mr. Coldwell), that I would table a letter from Mr. Drew, with respect to which he said he would take the responsibility of asking that it be tabled. I wish to have a word with my'hon. friend before proceeding further in complying with his request. There had not been an opportunity for that until we met in the house a moment ago, and in the circumstances I would ask if the question of compliance with that request might stand until eight o'clock this evening.

Topic:   HONG KONG COMMISSION
Subtopic:   REQUEST FOR TABLING OF LETTER FROM COLONEL DREW
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MILITARY CAMPS

FIRE AT BARRIEFIELD-REPORTS AS TO EFFICACY OF FIRE-FIGHTING APPARATUS


On the orders of the day:


SC

Frederick Davis Shaw

Social Credit

Mr. F. D. SHAW (Red Deer):

I wish to direct a question to the Minister of National Defence. In view of the fact that a report is now abroad in the land that when the fire broke out in Barriefield military camp on Saturday morning the available fire-fighting apparatus proved useless, would the minister make a statement to the house, either discounting that report or indicating what steps are being taken to provide adequate firefighting equipment?

Topic:   MILITARY CAMPS
Subtopic:   FIRE AT BARRIEFIELD-REPORTS AS TO EFFICACY OF FIRE-FIGHTING APPARATUS
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LIB

James Layton Ralston (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Hon. J. L. RALSTON (Minister of National Defence):

I will make inquiries and give the information.

Topic:   MILITARY CAMPS
Subtopic:   FIRE AT BARRIEFIELD-REPORTS AS TO EFFICACY OF FIRE-FIGHTING APPARATUS
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WAYS AND MEANS

CUSTOMS TARIFF


The house in committee of ways and means, Mr. Fournier (Hull) in the chair. Customs tariff-410c. (i) Machinery and apparatus and complete parts thereof for use exclusively in producing unrefined oil from shales, not to include motive power, of a class or kind not made in Canada: British preferential tariff, free; intermediate tariff, free; general tariff, free. (ii) Machinery and apparatus for operating oil-sands by mining operations and for extracting oil from the sands so mined; complete parts of the foregoing: British preferential tariff, free; intermediate tariff, free; general tariff, free. [DOT]


LIB

John Gordon Ross

Liberal

Mr. ROSS (Moose Jaw):

Both parts of this item have to do with the importation of machinery for the development of the oil

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resources of Canada, but one has reference to machinery for producing unrefined oil from shale, while the other has to do with the production of oil from tar sands in western Canada. I notice in this item that the machinery for producing oil from shale is free of duty except for the motive power in the machines. With a war on, and with such dire necessity for oil in this country, I see no reason why there should be any tariff whatever on any machinery that can be used for developing the oil resources of Canada at this time. Even if it is an engine that goes into the machine, we are not going to interfere with anyone making engines in Canada to-day merely because we permit the free importation of an engine for an oil drilling machine of any type. Engines are so hard to obtain now that you must get priorities before you can obtain them. All this oil drilling machinery and all material used for the development of oil, such as pipe, drilling machines, bit stems, bits, refining machinery, and so on, should be allowed in duty free from any country in which we can get them, in order to develop our oil resources.

Much has been said by leaders throughout the democratic part of this world in the last few months about freeing the channels of trade throughout the world when the war is over, in order that all democratic countries may have access to raw materials and may trade with other countries in order that there may be a fuller life throughout this whole world. If we are ever to get at that at all, it is time we were getting at it now. If there is one thing for which I have to criticize the Minister of Finance in connection with this budget it is that in it he has made no move toward that end. If we cannot have some of these restrictive tariffs removed now, when there is no necessity in the world for them, when this war is over it will be even more difficult to do it. To-day we are more and more industrializing one certain part of Canada. By the time the war is over that part of Canada will be so highly industrialized that they will fight every move that is made to reduce tariffs, and the result will be that other parts of Canada will suffer even more than they have suffered in the past.

Topic:   WAYS AND MEANS
Subtopic:   CUSTOMS TARIFF
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LIB

July 15, 1942