July 13, 1942

LIB

Georges Parent (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER:

The hon. gentleman is entitled to ask for further information with regard to a question he has already asked, but he may not make a further statement.

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NAT

Herbert Alexander Bruce

National Government

Mr. BRUCE:

That is exactly what I was coming to, Mr. Speaker. I want to know from the Minister of Justice if it is not true, and if it was not known to his department, that at the opening session Coloned Drew stated that it was not his intention to charge a fee or expenses, that he was doing this as a public duty. In the second place I would like to ask the minister if one might not say that his reply was lacking in frankness.

Hon. L. S. ST. LAURENT (Minister of Justice): Mr. Speaker, I resent the imputation made by the hon. member, and I ask that it be withdrawn. The hon. member knows, as does every other hon. member who has looked at Hansard, that neither the Minister of Justice nor anyone connected with' the Department of Justice made any answer to that question. The answer that was given was submitted by the Minister of Finance. I did not know of the preparation of the answer. As to what took place before the royal commission inquiring into the dispatch of a Canadian expedition to Hong Kong, I was not there, but I was informed that at the opening of that inquiry the commissioner j

stated that the proceedings were to be held in camera. I know nothing of what happened there, beyond what is contained in the report that was submitted to this house.

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NAT

Herbert Alexander Bruce

National Government

Mr. BRUCE:

In view of the minister's statement I withdraw the remark I made a moment ago. I will now direct my question to the Minister of Finance, under whose department the matter appears to have been considered. I would like to add this further question. Is it not a fact that in addition to the statement at the opening of the inquiry, a letter was sent by Colonel Drew in response to a request from the secretary of the commission, to the effect that he had no intention of charging a fee or expenses?

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LIB

James Lorimer Ilsley (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Hon. J. L. ILSLEY (Minister of Finance):

I had no knowledge of any such statement by Colonel Drew; in fact I had no knowledge at all of what went on at that secret hearing. I would like to ask my hon. friend how he knows.

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NAT

Richard Burpee Hanson (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Hon. R. B. HANSON (Leader of the Opposition):

Well, after that statement I

am going to ask the Minister of Natioual Defence (Mr. Ralston), who probably was there: Is it not true that Colonel Drew announced that he was not taking any fees or expenses, at some stage at all events, whether it was the first or second day? I believe my hon. friend was there nearly all the time.

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LIB

James Layton Ralston (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Hon. J. L. RALSTON (Minister of National Defence):

I want to say in the

first place that I was present at the sessions of the Hong Kong inquiry on only three days during the five or six weeks the sittings were held; that if I had heard anything of this kind I would not make any statement as to it; that I considered everybody was bound by the statement made by the chief justice to the effect that the proceedings were being held in camera.

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NAT

Herbert Alexander Bruce

National Government

Mr. BRUCE:

Mr. Speaker-

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LIB

James Layton Ralston (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. RALSTON:

I just want to add that

I heard no statement of the kind to which my hon. friend refers.

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NAT

Herbert Alexander Bruce

National Government

Mr. BRUCE:

Then I wish to direct another question to the Minister of Justice. In view of the serious charge made against one of Canada's most loyal and patriotic citizens-[DOT]

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Some hon. MEMBERS:

Order.

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NAT

Herbert Alexander Bruce

National Government

Mr. BRUCE:

-and its subsequent withdrawal, which in itself is an admission that the government had not a leg to stand on-

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Some hon. MEMBERS:

Order.

Excise Act Amendment

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NAT

Herbert Alexander Bruce

National Government

Mr. BRUCE:

-but were obviously

attempting to intimidate a public man, will the government consider making adequate compensation-

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Some hon. MEMBERS:

Order.

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NAT

Herbert Alexander Bruce

National Government

Mr. BRUCE:

-and a suitable apology to Colonel Drew for the injustice and indignity which he has suffered?

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Some hon. MEMBERS:

Order.

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LIB

Georges Parent (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER:

Order.

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LIB

William Ross Macdonald

Liberal

Mr. MACDONALD (Brantford City):

Mr. Speaker, is it not a rule of this house that when you rise, any member who is on his feet should sit down? Should not any words which are sought to be said by an hon. member after you have risen be stricken from Hansard?

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LIB

Georges Parent (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER:

There is no doubt as to the rule that when the Speaker stands, all members must take their seats. As to striking matter from the record, that would have to be at the behest of the house before I could give any such instructions.

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NAT

Richard Burpee Hanson (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. HANSON (York-Sunbury):

Let us get on with the business.

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July 13, 1942