June 17, 1942

LIB

Thomas Vien (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. DEPUTY SPEAKER:

Does any hon. member wish to speak on the>

point of order?

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IND

Liguori Lacombe

Independent Liberal

Mr. LACOMBE:

I wish to point out to the hon. Liberal member for Labelle that he is caught in his own trap. He has just imputed fantastic motives to the hon. member for Gaspe and I would ask him-[DOT]

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LIB

Maurice Lalonde

Liberal

Mr. LALONDE:

I am surprised to see the hon. member for Gaspe call the leader of the Canadian party to his help.

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LIB

Thomas Vien (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. DEPUTY SPEAKER:

The rules of the house are quite clear. In his Parliamentary Rules and Forms, Beauchesne, quoting May, says in rule 297 that it is absolutely out of order to impute to any hon. member of the house dishonourable or false motives or bad intentions. I would ask the hon. member from Gaspe to withdraw his last words, because he is clearly imputing reprehensible motives to the hon. member from Richelieu-Vercheres.

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IND

Joseph Sasseville Roy

Independent

Mr. ROY:

I will substitute the following words-

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LIB

Thomas Vien (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. DEPUTY SPEAKER:

The hon. member must first of all withdraw the words objected to.

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IND

Joseph Sasseville Roy

Independent

Mr. ROY:

I withdraw them.

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LIB

Joseph-Arthur Bradette

Liberal

Mr. BRADETTE:

That is something.

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IND

Joseph Sasseville Roy

Independent

Mr. ROY:

I wonder what would have happened if the electors of the ex-Minister of Public Works had answered yes to the question put at the time of the plebiscite.

He might not have made that final concession which he himself has termed a treachery, that is the concession of accepting conscription for military service in all theatres of war. It may be that he would not have made it, but great doubt still exists as to what might have happened. The former Minister of Public Works has acknowledged that he has

made one concession after another. We have agreed in 1939, he said, we have again agreed in 1940, we have accepted the plebiscite, we have made every possible concession in order to maintain national unity, as the Liberal party conceives it. It should be called liberal unity. Everyone will admit that one principle of the Liberal party is that things should never be called by their true names, that things should never be shown in their true light. Never-

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LIB

Thomas Vien (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. DEPUTY SPEAKER:

The hon. member is dealing with remarks made by the hon. member for Richelieu-Vercheres. He says that the hon. members who belong to the Liberal party are in the habit of never calling things by their true names. This also is against the rules of this house. It is said at page 100 of Beauchesne's Parliamentary Rules and Forms:

... to impute want of straightforwardness or courage to him . . .

The remarks of the hon. member imply that the statements of the hon. member for Richelieu-Vercheres lack frankness and straightforwardness, and I believe the hon. member should withdraw these remarks.

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IND

Joseph Sasseville Roy

Independent

Mr. ROY:

Mr. Speaker, I have imputed no motives, I have named no hon. member-

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LIB

Maurice Lalonde

Liberal

Mr. LALONDE:

On a point of order. You have given your ruling, Mr. Speaker. I call upon the hon. member to withdraw his remarks.

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Liguori Lacombe

Independent Liberal

Mr. LACOMBE:

On the point of order-

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LIB

Thomas Vien (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. DEPUTY SPEAKER:

Order. I have given my ruling. I say that the hon. member for Gaspe must withdraw his remarks.

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Liguori Lacombe

Independent Liberal

Mr. LACOMBE:

Mr. Speaker, I respectfully submit that the hon. member for Labelle has raised a point of order.

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Joseph Sasseville Roy

Independent

Mr. ROY:

Mr. Speaker, I withdraw that expression.

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LIB

Maurice Lalonde

Liberal

Mr. LALONDE:

Very well, thank you.

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IND

Joseph Sasseville Roy

Independent

Mr. ROY:

Mr. Speaker, I withdraw this

statement. It is a recognized fact that, to follow the Liberal tradition, things are never represented in their proper light. Well, in the name of national unity, concessions were made and it is claimed that they were made in the name of French Canada, if I remember correctly the utterances of hon. members. Never would French Canada have subscribed to concessions in the matter of the sacred rights conferred by pledges made to us and of the privileges guaranteed by them, for these pledges and privileges have been earned by our ancestors, in 1787, 1812 and 1849, as well as by our

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glorious volunteers of Vimy, Mons, Amiens, et cetera, during the war of 1914 to 1918, and they continue to be earned by our heroic young men, Robillard, Morin and others. The French Canadians would never have made such concessions, which were not to their own advantage, but solely to the benefit of the Liberal party. These concessions were made in order to retain power and the advantages that go with it.

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LIB

Maurice Lalonde

Liberal

Mr. LALONDE:

Seek power for your own sake, but you will never attain to it.

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An hon. MEMBER:

He is absolutely alone.

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June 17, 1942