May 11, 1942

LIB

James Layton Ralston (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. RALSTON:

I understand that with the consent of the hon. member this motion is to be dropped.

Motion dropped.

Motions for Papers

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BRITISH WHEAT PURCHASES, 1939-42

SC

Robert Fair

Social Credit

Mr. FAIR:

For a return showing the price paid by the British cereals import board or any department of the British government for wheat purchased from the Canadian wheat board during thie crop years 1939-40, 1940-41 and 1941-42 to date.

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LIB

James Angus MacKinnon (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. MacKINNON (Edmonton West):

Mr. Speaker, on several occasions in this house and elsewhere I have been asked this question and I have explained that we would be glad to give this information if we were allowed to do so. We have sold wheat to the British ministry of food on various occasions and one .of the terms and conditions of those sales has been that the price be not revealed. I am sorry that it is impossible for me to give further information in connection with this request and I would suggest that the motion be dropped.

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Major James William Coldwell

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. COLDWELL:

Can the minister tell us why the British cereals board does not wish this information to be given to the people who owned this wheat in Canada?

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LIB

James Angus MacKinnon (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. MacKINNON (Edmonton West):

If I told that I might just as well give the whole answer; that is tied up with the request that the information be not made public.

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SC

Robert Fair

Social Credit

Mr. FAIR:

As the mover of the motion I want to lodge a complaint against this information being withheld from the farmers who produced the wheat. Like the Minister of Trade and Commerce I have been asked for this information on several occasions and have had to say I am informed that to give it would not be in the public interest. If this information were of any benefit to Hitler or the Japanese I would certainly not ask for it, but I cannot see any reason in the world why it should be withheld. We are told what we are getting for our beef and our pork and all that kind of thing, but information on wheat is withheld. I do not believe it is democratic to have this information withheld.

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NAT

Ernest Edward Perley

National Government

Mr. PERLEY:

I wonder if the minister

will permit one question dealing with this matter? In the report of the 1940-41 crop there is a statement on page 2 with respect to sales made in the month of May, totalling 120 million bushels odd. Then in the monthly statement issued later you give the price at which wheat was offered, showing each month of the year, and for that month the price was over 90 cents. In one report the sales made are given, and then in the monthly statement the prices paid; why then can this information not be made available?

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LIB

James Angus MacKinnon (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. MacKINNON (Edmonton West):

I cannot help it if the hon. member for

Qu'Appelle (Mr. Perley) wishes to draw conclusions from information published by the department in connection with the handling of the wheat crop. I cannot add anything to what I have already said. We have been asked by the British government not to reveal this price, and unless the house wishes me to go back to the British government and ask them to reconsider their stand, I think the question will have to be dropped.

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NAT

Ernest Edward Perley

National Government

Mr. PERLEY:

The price quoted in the

monthly statement is correct, is it not?

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LIB

Thomas Alexander Crerar (Minister of Mines and Resources)

Liberal

Mr. CRERAR:

It does not refer to the

same thing at all.

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NAT

Richard Burpee Hanson (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. HANSON (York-Sunbury):

May I

request the minister to-go back to the British government and ask them if they will release the prices paid to Canada for the wheat during the years covered? If they definitely refuse to do that, I do not think we can pursue the matter any further. That has never been done so far as I know.

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LIB

James Angus MacKinnon (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

Mr. MacKINNON (Edmonton West):

I

have stated definitely in this house that I personally requested the British government to consider giving this information. I told them that this house and particularly the wheat producers of western Canada were anxious to get the figures and asked- if they would not reconsider their decision and allow me to give the information. They came back with the request that the information be kept secret in accordance with the terms for the purchase of wheat by that government.

Motion dropped. [DOT]

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AIRCRAFT AND ALLIED INDUSTRIES-MORALE BUILDING CAMPAIGN

CON

John George Diefenbaker

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. DIEFENBAKER:

For a copy of all letters, memoranda, or other documents addressed by the director-general of aircraft production, or any official of the aircraft production branch, and directed to any official of an aircraft industry or company engaged in whole or in part in the production of aircraft or parts thereof, with reference to the appointment of E. G. Hirst of Toronto to undertake a morale building campaign in the aircraft and allied industries; and in particular with reference to the manner in which his out-of-pocket expenses for travelling, organizing and office assistance are to be paid.

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LIB

Joseph Enoil Michaud (Minister of Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. MICHAUD:

Because of the unavoidable absence of the Minister of Munitions and Supply (Mr. Howe) I would ask that this motion stand until his return.

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NAT

Richard Burpee Hanson (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. HANSON (York-Sunbury):

That cannot be the real reason. This is not an unimportant matter afid the questions asked are quite clear. The other day when the minister

Motions for Papers

was here he asked to have it stand. It may take some time to bring down the information but I should like to see this motion passed and then we can get the return later. Unless there is some real reason why it cannot be passed to-day, I ask that the motion be put.

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LIB

Joseph Enoil Michaud (Minister of Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. MICHAUD:

There is no special

reason for asking for delay, but the minister of munitions is not here and I do not know whether there is anything objectionable in the motion. However, if the house wishes to pass the motion, it must be with the reservation that anything of a confidential nature will not be brought down.

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LIB

Georges Parent (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER:

Carried, with the reservation made by the minister.

CON SCRIPT! VE POWERS OF GOVERNOR IN COUNCIL UNDER WAR MEASURES ACT

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NAT

Lewis Elston Cardiff

National Government

Mr. CARDIFF:

For a copy of all opinions rendered by the Department of Justice with reference to the power of the governor in council under the War Measures Act to conscript men for service in any theatre of war.

Mr. ST. LAURENT: I have been advised by the departments of government concerned to say that they do not object to the production of the opinions mentioned in this motion, but it will be done without prejudice to the general rule which is stated in Bourinot, at page 250, as follows:

As a rule the opinions of the law officers of the crown are held to be "private communications" when given for the guidance of ministers, and may be properly refused by the government.

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May 11, 1942