May 4, 1942

NAT

George Henry Stokes

National Government

Mr. STOKES:

How many members of the Pentecostal or Full Gospel church are in (a) the army, (b) the air force, (c) the navy?

Topic:   CANADIAN FORCES-MEMBERS OF PENTECOSTAL OR FULL GOSPEL CHURCH
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GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES IN RECEIPT OF NET REMUNERATION IRRESPECTIVE OF INCOME TAX RATE

NAT

Mr. JACKMAN:

National Government

1. Is any officer or employee of this government or any government-owned corporation, or other emanation of the crown, in receipt of any salary, remuneration or other emolument, as to which the recipient is guaranteed a net amount irrespective of the rate of personal income tax, or is any such recipient the holder of a contractual right or undertaking given by the payor whereby the amount received is dependent on the rate of personal income tax?

2. If so, what are the names of such officers or employees?

3. How much does each receive annually?

4. How much is the tax assumed indirectly by the payor in each case on the income paid to such individual for the calendar year 1941?

Topic:   GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES IN RECEIPT OF NET REMUNERATION IRRESPECTIVE OF INCOME TAX RATE
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MOTIONS FOR PAPERS

CLOSING OF WINNIPEG GRAIN EXCHANGE

SC

Robert Fair

Social Credit

Mr. FAIR:

For a copy of all letters, telegrams and other documents exchanged between the Canadian

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wheat board or the Department of Trade and Commerce or any other department of government and the British cereals import board or any department of the British government, dealing with the closing of the Winnipeg grain exchange.

Topic:   MOTIONS FOR PAPERS
Subtopic:   CLOSING OF WINNIPEG GRAIN EXCHANGE
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LIB

Thomas Alexander Crerar (Minister of Mines and Resources)

Liberal

Mr. CRERAR:

My colleague the Minister of Trade and Commerce (Mr. MacKinnon) is not in the house to-day but he has asked me to make the following statement regarding this motion.

The requests from the British cereals import board to keep the Winnipeg grain exchange open have always been embodied in cables which the wheat board have received from the United Kingdom. In every message there are matters relating to other government business, and it is therefore not advisable to table the entire communications.

If my hon. friend will turn to page 2360, volume 3, of the 1940 debates of the House of Commons, he will find a complete cablegram from the deputy director of the cereals import board to Mr. George Mclvor, from which I quote in part:

This branch of the ministry of food is desirous that the Winnipeg futures market be kept open.

The balance of the message can be found in Hansard. And again on page 3682 of the Hansard of 1941, I read a quotation from another cable as follows:

Cereals of course must be assured that the market remains open.

The British authorities have consistently maintained this position. Further than this, it is not in the public interest to table any documents. With this information, I think the motion might be dropped.

Topic:   MOTIONS FOR PAPERS
Subtopic:   CLOSING OF WINNIPEG GRAIN EXCHANGE
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SC

Robert Fair

Social Credit

Mr. FAIR:

This matter has raised considerable doubt in the minds of people throughout Canada. The British government closed the exchange in England immediately after the war started and the people are wondering why the Canadian grain exchange must be kept open. Personally I believe that if the Minister of Mines and Resources were to open up his heart in the interests of the farmers who sent him here originally, he would give us a whole lot of information-

Topic:   MOTIONS FOR PAPERS
Subtopic:   CLOSING OF WINNIPEG GRAIN EXCHANGE
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Some hon. MEMBERS:

Order.

Topic:   MOTIONS FOR PAPERS
Subtopic:   CLOSING OF WINNIPEG GRAIN EXCHANGE
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SC

Robert Fair

Social Credit

Mr. FAIR:

-as to the reasons for this exchange being open.

Topic:   MOTIONS FOR PAPERS
Subtopic:   CLOSING OF WINNIPEG GRAIN EXCHANGE
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LIB

Thomas Alexander Crerar (Minister of Mines and Resources)

Liberal

Mr. CRERAR:

I have stated already that it is not considered in the public interest to bring down these communications. I have been long enough in this house that I do not need to have any instructions from the hon. member for Battle River (Mr. Fair). When the government states that it is not

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in the public interest to bring down these documents I think that should be accepted by the house. If the hon. member for Battle River will reflect, he will realize that there are two parties to these decisions and to these cables. This government is not in the habit of bringing down communications of that kind when other government authorities are concerned.

Motion dropped.

Topic:   MOTIONS FOR PAPERS
Subtopic:   CLOSING OF WINNIPEG GRAIN EXCHANGE
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BRITISH WHEAT PURCHASES, 1939-42

SC

Robert Fair

Social Credit

Mr. FAIR:

For a return showing the price paid by the British cereals import board or any department of the British government for wheat purchased from the Canadian wheat board during the crop years 1939-40, 1940-41 and 1941-42 to date.

Topic:   BRITISH WHEAT PURCHASES, 1939-42
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LIB

Thomas Alexander Crerar (Minister of Mines and Resources)

Liberal

Mr. CRERAR:

The objection raised to the previous motion will apply to this motion. The Minister of Trade and Commerce (Mr. MacKinnon) has asked me to make the following statement.

In reply to the hon. member for Battle River, I wish to state that one of the terms of the sales contract between the Canadian wheat board and the British cereals import board is that the price will not be disclosed on this side. They have been asked to consider a departure from this undertaking, but are unwilling to allow us to disclose the price. We are bound to abide by their decision. On these grounds I would ask that this motion be dropped.

Topic:   BRITISH WHEAT PURCHASES, 1939-42
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NAT

Richard Burpee Hanson (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. HANSON (York-Sunbury):

This simply means that the Canadian people are not to be told anything about what their own agency is doing with respect to the sale of wheat so far as price is concerned. Notwithstanding the intimation that the buyer does not want these prices revealed, I respectfully dissent from that view. I think the people of Canada, and particularly the wheat producers of Canada, should know what the wheat board is getting for the wheat produced. The price paid to the wheat producers is the residual.

Topic:   BRITISH WHEAT PURCHASES, 1939-42
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CCF

Major James William Coldwell

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. COLDWELL:

Mr. Speaker, might I suggest that the answers that are now being given are a great reflection on our own power to govern ourselves. Surely this parliament as a body should not be dictated to by any body outside.

Topic:   BRITISH WHEAT PURCHASES, 1939-42
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LIB

Thomas Alexander Crerar (Minister of Mines and Resources)

Liberal

Mr. CRERAR:

If I may be permitted, the hon. member for Rosetown-Biggar (Mr. Coldwell) is taking a wholly wrong view.

Topic:   BRITISH WHEAT PURCHASES, 1939-42
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CCF

Major James William Coldwell

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. COLDWELL:

No, I am not.

Topic:   BRITISH WHEAT PURCHASES, 1939-42
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LIB

Thomas Alexander Crerar (Minister of Mines and Resources)

Liberal

Mr. CRERAR:

This is a transaction between a government board in Canada and a govern*-

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ment board in Great Britain for the purchase of wheat. If the other party to the agreement do not wish, for reasons which they consider good, to have the information disclosed, I think we should respect that view. There is no question of any injustice being done to the farmer. The worst that could happen would be the criticism that perhaps we were not getting a large enough price for the wheat, but under the terms of the wheat board act, if the total amount realized exceeds the advance that has been paid by the wheat board the balance goes to the farmer. There is no question about that.

Topic:   BRITISH WHEAT PURCHASES, 1939-42
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Leslie Gordon Bell

Mr. COLD WELL:

But the farmers have the right to know what they are getting.

Topic:   BRITISH WHEAT PURCHASES, 1939-42
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May 4, 1942