February 18, 1942

NEW MEMBER

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Georges Parent (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER:

I have the honour to inform the house that the clerk of the house has received from the chief electoral officer certificate of the election and return of the following member, viz:

Of Joseph William Nosewrorthy, Esquire, for the electoral district of York South.

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NEW MEMBER INTRODUCED


Joseph AVilliam Noseworthy, Esquire, member for the electoral district of York South, introduced by Mr. Coldwell and Mr. Maclnnis.


CANADIAN NATIONAL RAILWAYS

APPOINTMENT OF GEORGE A. TOUCHE AND COMPANY AS AUDITORS


Hon. P. J. A. CARDIN (Minister of Transport) moved for leave to introduce Bill No. 9, respecting the appointment of auditors for National Railways. He said: This bill is to provide for the appointment of auditors for the Canadian National Railways. Motion agreed to and bill read the first time.


CANADIAN ARMED FORCES


HEALTH OF DISCHARGED MEN-REMARKS OF PREMIER OF ONTARIO AS REPORTED IN to-day's PRESS On the orders of the day: Hon. IAN A. MACKENZIE (Minister of Pensions and National Health): Mr. Speaker, in this morning's Citizen there appears a Canadian Press dispatch referring to Premier Hepburn's comment on the statements made in this house last Monday in regard to health conditions among discharged men. May I emphasize that this statement was officially presented on the records of the assembly at Queen's Park, Toronto. I quote from his remarks: Mr. Hepburn said he did not blame defence minister J. L. Ralston, navy minister Angus Health oj Discharged Men



Macdonald or air minister C. G. Power for their criticism of him but he did blame Prime Minister Mackenzie King. "He (Mr. King) is not the kind to shoot yon verbally but he would buy a gun, hand it to the other fellow and tell him to shoot you." The report of the same incident appearing in the Toronto Star does me the honour of indicating that the premier also referred to me. I wish to state to this house most definitely and emphatically that the Prime Minister (Mr. Mackenzie King) had no knowledge of my intention to make a statement on the subject of health conditions among discharged men. and therefore the statement of the premier of Ontario is absolutely false and utterly untrue in every detail. May I add. sir. in anticipation of further prevarications from Queen's Park, that until the present moment the Prime Minister of Canada had no knowledge of the statement I am making now.


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William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Right Hon. W. L. MACKENZIE KING (Prime Minister):

Referring to the matter

mentioned by the hon. member for Vancouver Centre (Mr. Mackenzie), I notice that the account which appears in this morning's Citizen of Mr. Hepburn's remarks is headed as follows:

Hepburn Scores Press Reports as "Erroneous."

Ontario Premier Absolves Three Defence Ministers for Criticisms, Placing Blame on Mr. King.

It might be thought that as the Minister of Pensions and National Health is not included in the category to which reference is made, there has been some suggestion made by me to one or other of the other ministers. The article states:

Mr. Hepburn said he did not blame defence minister J. L. Ralston, navy minister Angus Macdonald or air minister C. G. Power iui their criticism of him but he did blame Prime Minister Mackenzie King.

Then referring to myself:

"He (Mr. King) is not the kind to shoot you verbally but he would buy a gun. hand it to the other fellow and tell him to shoot you."

Just in case anyone reading that particular article might infer that I handed a loaded gun to one of my colleagues in the defence departments, I wish to say that I had no knowledge that any minister of the crown was going to make any reference whatever to the subject which was referred to the other day by the different ministers whom the Premier of Ontario has mentioned.

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William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

I would not

say whether I think he is worth shooting or not.

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INCOME TAX


1941 FORMS-NEGOTIATIONS WITH PROVINCES On the orders of the day:


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John Ritchie MacNicol

National Government

Mr. J. R. MacNICOL (Davenport):

Mr. Speaker, I desire to ask the Minister of National Revenue (Mr. Gibson) a question based on a conversation I had yesterday morning with a gentleman in reference to the purchasing of victory loan bonds. He was at a loss to know how many to buy because, he said, he was unable to obtain forms to figure out his income tax and did not like to commit himself without knowing how much money he would have left with which to buy bonds. I saw him again this morning and he was greatly perturbed over an article in this morning's Globe and Mail referring to the fact, I presume, that the Minister of Finance and the Ontario government have not yet come into agreement as to what is to be the situation in regard to the Ontario income tax. I told this gentleman to possess his soul in patience and buy all the bonds he could, but I would like the Minister of National Revenue to tell us when the forms will be ready. I went to the post office this morning, after having this second conversation, and was still unable to obtain the income tax forms, except for the very low brackets. What we do not know yet is whether we will have to pay two income taxes, one to Ontario and one to the dominion.

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Colin William George Gibson (Minister of National Revenue)

Liberal

Hon. C. W. G. GIBSON (Minister of National Revenue):

The hon. member for

Davenport (Mr. MacNicol) was kind enough to give me notice of his question.

In recent years the income tax branch has been collecting income tax for five of the provinces. This required special forms for each of those five provinces. In view of the recent provincial negotiations it was uncertain whether or not these special forms would again be required. The consent of the provinces was necessaby before leaving particulars of the provincial taxes off the forms. As a result the individual forms were not available this year until ten days later than the usual date. Forms T-l, for individual incomes over $5,000, and T-l special, for individual incomes of $5,000 and under, were available in January, together with an informative pamphlet which had been prepared for use in the event of the income tax forms not being available before the end of January. I am informed that 3,000 of the forms T-l, for incomes over $5,000, and

120,000 of the forms T-l special, for incomes of $5,000 and under, were delivered in Toronto in January, and that a total of 218,000 of form T-l and 879,000 of form T-l special have now been delivered in Toronto.

Rubber, Oil and Gasoline

I might point out that it is the practice of local inspectors to supply the demand from their own offices, and then to make general distribution through banks, post offices and other appropriate places. I understand that the post offices and sub post offices in Toronto district have been supplied with forms, following their receipt by the inspector of income tax in Toronto. Whether or not that applies to Ottawa, I do not know, but I shall secure the information for the hon. member. The forms are of course available at the income tax offices.

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RUBBER, OIL AND GASOLINE DUPLICATION OP TRANSPORT SERVICES BY BUS, TRUCK AND RAIL


On the orders of the day:


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Douglas Gooderham Ross

National Government

Mr. D. G. ROSS (St. Paul's):

Mr. Speaker, I should like to ask a question of the Minister of Munitions and Supply. In view of the shortage of crude rubber, oil and gasoline, what steps has the government taken to survey the duplication of transport services by bus, truck and rail, with the object in view of having services which can be dispensed with discontinued, thereby conserving tires, oil and gasoline?

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February 18, 1942