April 30, 1941

LIB

Clarence Decatur Howe (Minister of Munitions and Supply)

Liberal

Hon. C. D. HOWE (Minister of Munitions and Supply):

The government was faced

with a situation wherein the management of the National Steel Car Corporation refused to comply with an interim report of a conciliation board duly appointed by the federal government.

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NAT

Richard Burpee Hanson (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. HANSON (York-Sunbury):

The

management did?

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LIB

Clarence Decatur Howe (Minister of Munitions and Supply)

Liberal

Mr. HOWE:

Yes, the management. An

interim report was made to the effect that one man who had been dismissed should be reinstated, at least until the final report could be brought down. This the management declined to do. Experienced officers of the Department of Munitions and Supply looked into the situation, and it was felt that the management were taking an unreasonable attitude. This was the view of experienced production managers. The resultant situation was that we were losing the production of shells for British order, we thought unnecessarily, and the labour troubles threatened to spread to other plants, where loss of production would have been even more serious.

I instructed the management peremptorily to comply with the order of the board. This it declined to do, and after a reasonable time had expired we exercised the authority given us under the munitions and supply act, took over the management of the plant and installed a controller in the plant.

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NAT

Richard Burpee Hanson (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. HANSON (York-Sunbury):

Was a

special order in council required, and if so, will it be tabled?

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LIB

Clarence Decatur Howe (Minister of Munitions and Supply)

Liberal

Mr. HOWE:

Yes, I have sent for the

order in council, and I hope to table it this afternoon. I might point out that the controller arrived in Hamilton about midnight last night, and at seven o'clock this morning normal operations of the plant were restored.

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LIB

Norman Alexander McLarty (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Hon. N. A. McLARTY (Minister of Labour):

Mr. Speaker, I do not know that I can usefully add anything to the answer given by my colleague the Minister of Munitions and Supply in reply to the question of the leader of the opposition. I might add, however, that perhaps to some extent I was responsible in recommending the action taken. The matter is a most unfortunate one, in this respect: A board was appointed, and several complaints were urged by the employees for consideration of the board. Perhaps there

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was a little delay in setting up the board, but it functioned and brought in a majority report. That report dealt with two matters and two alone, namely the matter of taking a vote, or an election, as it is sometimes called, to see whether the organization which had applied for the board was representative of a majority of the employees of the company. A vote was directed.

Then there were several alleged cases of discrimination in connection with some of the employees of the company. Speaking purely from recollection I believe the alleged cases numbered six. The board dealt with only one of those cases, and made only one recommendation. It dealt with the case of one employee and suggested, as my colleague has said, that he be returned to work until the board had had an opportunity of giving the matter more thorough consideration and if necessary, in the absence of some mutual agreement, bringing in a final report.

Representations were made by the Minister of Munitions and Supply as well as by myself to the company, that it seemed trivial to tie up the operations of an important plant for a reason so inconsequential. The company refused to do it. As a result my colleague and I definitely agreed there was only one thing to do, and that was to take action to see that Mr. Churchill got the tools for which he so earnestly asked and for which he so eloquently argued. A fortunate thing is that the men returned within a very few hours. In fact I believe they returned before the controller actually arrived, on the understanding that he would arrive.

As hon. members will appreciate, it is of course a serious matter to have a war industry tied up for some inconsequential cause. I think it is fair to say this, whether that cause comes from the employer or from the employee. In other words I think this will be some token that we do intend to see to it that work is carried on in this country and these tools supplied.

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TABLING OP ORDER IN COUNCIL AUTHORIZING ACTION TAKEN

LIB

Clarence Decatur Howe (Minister of Munitions and Supply)

Liberal

Mr. HOWE:

I desire now to lay on the table order in council P.C. 3040, asked for by my hon. friends a few moments ago.

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DECENNIAL CENSUS

QUESTION OF MAKING FORMS AVAILABLE IN ADVANCE OF CALLS BY ENUMERATORS


On the orders of the day.


NAT

Thomas Langton Church

National Government

Mr. T. L. CHURCH (Broadview):

Mr. Speaker, I would point out to the minister in charge of the census to be taken on June 2 that one of the forms contains fifty questions.

Decennial Census

These questions cannot be answered orally without records being consulted. Would the minister facilitate the work of taking the census by having this form delivered or mailed to householders say on June 1, thus giving them a day to fill it out? This would be a great convenience and would lead to better results.

I appreciate that the matter of secrecy is involved, but I do suggest that secrecy would be enhanced if the householder were permitted to fill out the form in advance and have the enumerator pass on it. It would take twenty or twenty-five minutes for some of the foreign-born population in our industrial cities to fill out the answers to the questions on this form.

Hon. J. A. MaeKINNON (Minister of Trade and Commerce): Mr. Speaker, the

hon. member for Broadview asked me personally yesterday about this matter, and I gave him the information given to me by those responsible for the taking of the census, namely that only in this way can secrecy be maintained. I shall, however, again speak to the people in charge of taking the census and submit the representations made by the hon. member.

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NAT

Thomas Langton Church

National Government

Mr. CHURCH:

Could some of the enumerators take a course in handwriting?- because some of the writing I cannot read.

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NAT

Richard Burpee Hanson (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Hon. R. B. HANSON (Leader of the Opposition):

I had an interview with the

commissioner in my district-a very pleasant interview, I am bound to say. But he told me there is one form on which there are 165 questions. Is this correct? I cannot believe that it is possible, or that the bureau of statistics would send out a form containing so many questions.

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An hon. MEMBER:

What about the

expense?

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NAT

Richard Burpee Hanson (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. HANSON (York-Sunbury):

I am not thinking about the expense; I am thinking about the difficulties of answering. Is there any truth in that statement? The person to whom I spoke did not have the form with him, and for that reason I could not verify what he said. I was astonished to hear that so many questions were being asked. I know there are some people-and I am not one of them-who have statistical minds, but it seems to me that if this is so, it is going the limit.

Mr. MaeKINNON (Edmonton West): I have not counted the questions on the forms. I have seen the forms; they are numerous, and the questions are numerous. It merely shows the comprehensive nature of the census that is being undertaken.

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NAT

Richard Burpee Hanson (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. HANSON (York-Sunbury):

It shows a bureaucratic mind.

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CCF

Angus MacInnis

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. MacINNIS:

Have enumerators been appointed yet, and if so, how, and by whom?

Mr. MaeKINNON (Edmonton West): So far as I know, enumerators have been appointed. I can say at least that we have been urging the census commissioners to proceed as quickly as possible with the appointment of enumerators, so that the work can be got under way as soon as we are ready to proceed with it. The enumerators are being appointed by the census commissioners.

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NAT

George James Tustin

National Government

Mr. TUSTIN:

On whose recommendation is the commissioner appointed?

Mr. MaeKINNON (Edmonton West): As I have said, the commissioners have been appointed in exactly the same way as they have been appointed every ten years since confederation.

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NAT

Richard Burpee Hanson (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. HANSON (York-Sunbury):

That is

not the point of the question.

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April 30, 1941