April 3, 1941

SECOND REPORT OF SPECIAL COMMITTEE


Hon. J. E. MICHAUD (Minister of Fisheries) presented the second report of the special committee on the defence of Canada regulations, as follows: Your committee recommends that the defence of Canada regulations be amended by adding to regulation 26A, regulation 26B (1) and regulation 37A (1) the following: Regulation 26A-add proviso "and provided further that the provisions of this regulation shall not apply to persons who are nationals of and were born in Czechoslovakia, which, for the purposes of this regulation, means Czechoslovakia as it existed on the first day of January, 1938." Regulation 26B (1)-add proviso "and provided further that the provisions of this paragraph shall not apply to naturalized British subjects, who, at the time of their naturalization were nationals of and born in Czechoslovakia, which for the purposes of this regulation, means Czechoslovakia as it existed on the first day of January, 1938." Regulation 37A (1)-add proviso "Provided that the provisions of this paragraph shall not apply to naturalized British subjects who, at the time of their naturalization were nationals of and born in Czechoslovakia, which for the purposes of this regulation, means Czechoslovakia as it existed on the first day of January, 1938."


SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATES, 1940-41 SUSPENSION OF STANDING ORDER 28 ON THURSDAY AND FRIDAY, APRIL 3 AND 4

LIB

James Lorimer Ilsley (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Hon. J. L. ILSLEY (Minister of Finance):

Last night I spoke about the necessity of having the further supplementary estimates voted before the Easter recess. I should like to add that I think it essential that they be voted either to-day or to-morrow. The reason for this is that accounts are now in arrears, and if these supplementary estimates for the fiscal year just passed are not promptly voted, there will be rapidly increasing inconvenience. The same consideration exactly applies to the supplementary war appropria-

Supplementary Estimates

tion measure. Both these measures relate to expenditures for the fiscal year that is past, not the current year.

I spoke to the leader of the opposition (Mr. Hanson) about the matter, and he was good enough to say that he would do what he could to facilitate the passage of these measures in every way possible. I did not have an opportunity of explaining the matter to the leaders of the two other parties in the house, although I had a word with them just as I came to the chamber. I think, however, they will see the necessity for this procedure, now that I have explained it.

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CCF

Major James William Coldwell

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. COLDWELL:

We have no objection.

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LIB

James Lorimer Ilsley (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. ILSLEY:

I shall couple with my motion two undertakings for the protection of opposition parties in the house. Mr. Speaker, I move:

That the provision of standing order 28 relative to the consideration of estimates which have not been first taken up on any other day than Thursday or Friday be suspended on Thursday and Friday, the 3rd and 4th of April, 1941.

The reason why it is necessary to pass this motion is that in those supplementary estimates are votes for a number of departments which have not yet been taken up on Monday or Tuesday of any week during this session.

The first undertaking I would make is that we will use this motion only for the purpose of considering these further supplementary estimates; that it will not apply to the main estimates which we have not yet the right to take up.

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NAT

Richard Burpee Hanson (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. HANSON (York-Sunbury):

That is satisfactory.

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LIB

James Lorimer Ilsley (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. ILSLEY:

The second undertaking is this: Any questions hon. gentlemen would have the right to ask under these further supplementary estimates, but have not the time to ask or do not ask to-day or to-morrow, may be asked on some other item in the main estimates at a later time. I believe if the house understands this undertaking there will be no difficulty.

In view of those two undertakings I would hope that this motion might pass, and that we might pass the supplementary estimates for the past year, either to-day or to-morrow. It is our intention to have them taken up after the passage of the bill now before the house. I should hope it would be passed early to-day, for the reasons I have mentioned.

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Richard Burpee Hanson (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Hon. R. B. HANSON (Leader of the Opposition):

Mr. Speaker, that arrangement is satisfactory to us, but on the further understanding that the chairman of the committee of supply will observe the undertaking.

[Mr. Hsley.l

He is an officer of the house. I do not know what control the government has over him, but I have felt in recent days that perhaps he was just a little bit too anxious.

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CCF

Major James William Coldwell

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. COLDWELL:

I did not hear the

minister's answer to what the leader of the opposition has just said. Will the chairman give some latitude as well?

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LIB

James Lorimer Ilsley (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. ILSLEY:

It would be impossible for

the chairman to give an undertaking, or for the government to give one in his behalf. I feel sure, however, in view of what I have said, that there will be no difficulty.

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Motion agreed to.


QUESTIONS


(Questions answered orally are indicated by an asterisk.)


CENSUS COMMISSIONERS

NAT

Mr. ROSS (Souris):

National Government

1. What salary, allowances or other remuneration will be paid to census commissioners?

2. What other officials will be appointed in each constituency in connection with the taking of the census?

3. What salary, allowance or other remuneration will be paid to such officials?

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LIB

Mr. MacKINNON (Edmonton West): (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Liberal

1. Not yet available.

2. Census enumerators.

3. Form 33.

British Columbia

Tables of Rates and Allowances for Census Enumerators-Census 1941

Enumerators shall be entitled to the following allowances:-

(1) Population-For every living person recorded on the population schedule (form 1) and for every "closed dwelling card" (form 6) and "absentee household card" (form 7) forwarded to the dominion bureau of statistics, each enumerator shall be paid an allowance of five cents.

(2) Housing (Form 4)-For every tenth house as enumerated per this schedule, the enumerator shall be paid the sum of eight cents.

(3) Agriculture-For every farm of five acres and over recorded on the general farm schedule (form 2), the enumerator shall be paid thirty-five cents. For every farm under five acres, he shall be paid twenty-five cents. For every fruits and vegetables schedule (form 2A) filled as per instructions on the schedule, he shall be paid twenty-five cents. For every abandoned1 or idle farm (form 2B), he shall be paid the sum of ten cents. For

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every entry of "animals, animal products, fruits, gardens, etc., not on farms" (form 3), he shall be paid five cents per family.

(4) Merchandising and Service Establishments (form 11)-For every record of merchandising and service establishments entered on form 11, the enumerator shall be paid five cents.

(5) Blind and Deaf-Mutes (form 8)-For every record of blind or deaf-mute persons on form 8, the enumerator shall be paid five cents.

(6) Allowances for Expenses-In localities outside of cities, towns and incorporated villages, enumerators shall be paid in lieu of horse and motor hire and all other expenses and in addition to the rates provided above, an allowance of $10 per one hundred (100) names of persons enumerated in the population schedule (form 1). But these allowances shall not apply to sub-districts or regions provided for in the following instruction.

(7) Special Cases-In census sub-districts or regions of sparse population, remote from settlement and deficient in means of communication, the rates and allowances to enumerators shall be such as the dominion statistician, with the approval of the minister, shall direct ; and the same rule shall apply also in sub-districts or regions where the services of an interpreter, a guide or other assistant to an enumerator may be required. But in no case shall an interpreter or guide or other assistant to an enumerator be employed, except within the written authority of the dominion statistician.

(8) Travelling Expenses for Enumerators- Census enumerators called to receive instructions from commissioners before commencing enumeration work shall be entitled when on such duty to actual expenses of travel by railroad or other conveyance and to cost of living at hotels or other places from the time of leaving home to return thereto, as shown by vouchers, and to an allowance of three dollars per day for time spent in receiving instructions as certified by the commissioner.

Form 32.

Manitoba-Saskatchewan-Alberta Tables of Rates and Allowances for Census Enumerators Census 1941

Enumerators shall be entitled to the following allowances:

(1) Population-For every living person recorded on the population schedule (form 1) and for every "closed dwelling card" (form 6) and "absentee household card" (form 7) forwarded to the dominion bureau of statistics, each enumerator shall be paid an allowance of five cents.

(2) Housing (form 4)-For every tenth house as enumerated per this schedule, the enumerator shall be paid the sum of eight cents.

(3) Agriculture-For every farm of five acres and over recorded on the general farm schedule (form 2), the enumerator shall be paid thirty-five cents. For every farm under five acres, he shall be paid twenty-five cents. For every fruits and vegetables schedule (form 2A) filled as per instructions on the schedule, he shall be paid twenty-five cents. For every abandoned or idle farm (form 2B), he shall be paid the sum of ten cents. For every entry of "animals, animal products, fruits, gardens, etc., not on farms" (form 3), he shall be paid five cents per family.

(4) Merchandising and Service Establishments (form 11)-For every record of merchandising and service establishments entered on form 11, the enumerator shall be paid five cents.

(5) Blind and Deaf-Mutes (form 8)-For every record of blind or deaf-mute persons on form 8, the enumerator shall be paid five cents.

(6) Allowances for Expenses

In localities outside of cities, towns and incorporated villages, enumerators shall be paid in lieu of horse and motor hire and all other expenses and in addition to the rates provided above, an allowance of $7 per one hundred (100) names of persons enumerated in the population schedule (form 1), provided, however, that there is in the township a minimum of one hundred (100) persons. In whole townships where there is a permanent resident population but it is less than one hundred (100) persons, the enumerator shall be paid $7 per township. In fractional townships where there are less than 100 persons the pay shall be in proportion to the size of the township. But these allowances will not apply to subdistricts or regions provided for in the following instruction.

(7) Special Cases-In census subdistricts or regions of sparse population, remote from settlement and deficient in means of communication, the rates and allowances to enumerators shall be such as the dominion statistics, with the approval of the minister, may direct; and the same rule shall apply also in subdistricts or regions where the services of an interpreter, a guide or other assistant to an enumerator may be required. But in no case shall an interpreter or guide or other assistant to an enumerator be employed, except within the written authority of the dominion statistician.

(8) Travelling Expenses for Enumerators- Census enumerators called to receive instructions from commissioners before commencing

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enumeration work shall be entitled when on such duty to actual expenses of travel by railroad or other conveyance and to cost of living at hotels or other places from the time of leaving home to return thereto, as shown by vouchers, and to an allowance of three dollars per day for time spent in receiving instructions as certified by the commissioner.

Prince Edward Island-Nova Scotia-New Brunswick-Quebec and Ontario Tables of Rates and Allowances for Census Enumerators Census 1941

Enumerators shall be entitled to the following allowances:

(1) Population-For every living person recorded on the population schedule (form 1) and for every "closed dwelling card" (form 6) and "absentee household card" (form 7) forwarded to the dominion bureau of statistics, each enumerator shall be paid an allowance of five cents.

(2) Housing (form 4)-For every tenth house as enumerated per this schedule, the enumerator shall be paid the sum of eight cents.

(3) Agriculture-For every farm of five acres and over recorded on the general farm schedule (form 2), the enumerator shall be paid thirty-five cents. For every farm under five acres, he shall be paid twenty-five cents. For every fruits and vegetables schedule filled as per instructions on the schedule, he shall be paid twenty-five cents. For every abandoned or idle farm (form 2B), he shall be paid the sum of ten cents. For every entry of "animals, animal products, fruits, gardens, etc., not on farm" (form 3), he shall be paid five cents per family.

(4) Merchandising and Service Establishments (form 11)-For every1 record of merchandising and service establishments entered on form 11, the enumerator shall be paid five cents.

(5) Blind and Deaf-Mutes (form 8)-For every record of blind or deaf-mute persons on form 8, the enumerator shall be paid five cents.

(6) Allowances for Expenses-In localities outside of cities, towns and incorporated villages, enumerators shall be paid in lieu of horse and motor hire and all other expenses and in addition to the rates provided above, an allowance of $5 per hundred' names of persons enumerated in population schedule (form 1). But these allowances shall not apply to sub-districts or regions provided for in the following instruction.

(7) Special Cases-In census sub-districts or regions of sparse population, remote from settlement and deficient in means of com-

munication, the rates and allowances to

enumerators shall be such as the dominion statistician, with the approval of the minister, may direct; and the same rule shall apply also in sub-districts or regions where the services of an interpreter, a guide or other assistant to an enumerator may be required. But in no case shall an interpreter or guide or other assistant to an enumerator be employed, except within the written authority of the dominion statistician.

(8) Travelling Expenses for Enumerators- Census enumerators called to receive instructions from commissioners before commencing enumeration work shall be entitled when on such duty to actual expenses of travel by railroad or other conveyance and to cost of living at hotels or other places from the time of leaving home to return thereto, as shown by Vouchers, and to an allowance of three dollars per day for time spent in receiving instructions as certified by the commissioner.

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SALT FISH BOARD

NAT

Mr. HATFIELD:

National Government

1. What are the names of the members of the salt fish board?

2. What is the normal occupation of each such member?

3. What salary, allowances and/or other remuneration is paid to each such member?

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LIB

Joseph Enoil Michaud (Minister of Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. MICHAUD:

1 and 2. Dr. D. B. Finn, Ottawa (Chairman), Deputy Minister of Fisheries.

Burke Mclnemey, Halifax, Central Secretary, United Maritime Fishermen.

William Deal, Lunenburg, Captain of Lunenburg fishing vessel.

3. Chairman-nil.

Members-$10 per meeting provided that when meeting extends beyond one day remuneration shall be at rate of $10 per day for duration of meeting. Reasonable travelling and living expenses during absence from place of residence on board's work are also paid.

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April 3, 1941