March 24, 1941


On the orders of the day:


NAT

Richard Burpee Hanson (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Hon. R. B. HANSON (Leader of the Opposition):

May I ask the Minister of Finance, in view of what I read in the newspapers over the week-end, if any further telegrams, letters, memoranda or other documents have been exchanged between the Prime Minister or the Minister of Finance himself and the premier or the minister of finance of British Columbia since March 17, with reference to a request that the province of British Columbia take steps to pay off or to reduce outstanding loans of that province. If so, will they be tabled?

Topic:   LOANS TO PROVINCES
Subtopic:   BRITISH COLUMBIA-QUESTION OF REDUCTION OR REPAYMENT
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James Lorimer Ilsley (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Hon. J. L. ILSLEY (Minister of Finance):

I do not know that they should be tabled. As we go along from day to day some correspondence is exchanged between Mr. Hart and myself with regard to this matter.

Topic:   LOANS TO PROVINCES
Subtopic:   BRITISH COLUMBIA-QUESTION OF REDUCTION OR REPAYMENT
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NAT

Richard Burpee Hanson (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. HANSON (York-Sunbury):

What is the nature of it? Surely the country is entitled to know. They owe us a lot of money, and there was at least a suggestion by the premier of British Columbia of repudiation. I suggest we ought to know what is going on.

Topic:   LOANS TO PROVINCES
Subtopic:   BRITISH COLUMBIA-QUESTION OF REDUCTION OR REPAYMENT
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LIB

James Lorimer Ilsley (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. ILSLEY:

I have no desire to keep anything from the house; but it is very difficult to summarize each stage when letters are exchanged between the governments of the dominion and the province. As soon as any agreement is arrived at, or as soon as it is apparent that no agreement can be arrived at, I shall report the matter to the house.

Topic:   LOANS TO PROVINCES
Subtopic:   BRITISH COLUMBIA-QUESTION OF REDUCTION OR REPAYMENT
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NAT

Richard Burpee Hanson (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. HANSON (York-Sunbury):

Bring them down once a week.

Topic:   LOANS TO PROVINCES
Subtopic:   BRITISH COLUMBIA-QUESTION OF REDUCTION OR REPAYMENT
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SIR FREDERICK BANTING

REPORTS AS TO CAUSE OF FATAL AEROPLANE ACCIDENT-NEWFOUNDLAND INQUIRY


On the orders of the day:


CCF

Major James William Coldwell

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. M. J. COLDWELL (Rosetown-Biggar):

Mr. Speaker, in view of the wide publicity over our own radio broadcasting system and in the newspapers, and the disquieting stories regarding the accident in which Sir Frederick Banting lost his life, would the Minister of National Defence for Air be prepared to make any statement to-day, or at some later time?

Topic:   SIR FREDERICK BANTING
Subtopic:   REPORTS AS TO CAUSE OF FATAL AEROPLANE ACCIDENT-NEWFOUNDLAND INQUIRY
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LIB

Charles Gavan Power (Associate Minister of National Defence; Minister of National Defence for Air; Minister of National Defence for Air and Associate Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Hon. C. G. POWER (Minister of National Defence for Air):

All I can say to the house is that that flight was not under the control of the Royal Canadian Air Force. When the British government requested the Newfoundland government to make an inquiry into all the circumstances surrounding the unfortunate

War Savings Certificates

occurrence, the Newfoundland government requested the Royal Canadian Air Force to lend them two of its officers to be members of the board of inquiry, and they also requested that the Department of Transport should lend one of its officers. The report will be made to the Newfoundland government and not to the government of Canada. The only connection our department had with it was the loan of personnel to act on the board of inquiry.

Topic:   SIR FREDERICK BANTING
Subtopic:   REPORTS AS TO CAUSE OF FATAL AEROPLANE ACCIDENT-NEWFOUNDLAND INQUIRY
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WAR SAVINGS CERTIFICATES

REPRESENTATIONS AS TO METHOD OF DISTRIBUTION BT MAIL


On the orders of the day:


NAT

Douglas Gooderham Ross

National Government

Mr. D. G. ROSS (St. Paul's):

Mr. Speaker, I should like to draw the attention of the Minister of Finance to a question connected with the sale of war savings certificates. I believe I might best put my question by reading from a letter appearing in the Toronto Globe and Mail of March 24. It says:

On March 17 we received by post from Ottawa five letters, each containing a war savings certificate fully registered in our name, on which, of course, no postage was required. We believe your attention has been previously drawn to the lack of thrift in the wastage of time, clerical labour, paper, etc., in sending to purchasers enclosures under five covers where one would suffice.

Would the minister give an explanation?

Topic:   WAR SAVINGS CERTIFICATES
Subtopic:   REPRESENTATIONS AS TO METHOD OF DISTRIBUTION BT MAIL
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LIB

James Lorimer Ilsley (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Hon. J. L. ILSLEY (Minister of Finance):

I have received many letters making representations similar to those made by the hon. member. In answering them I have explained that these war savings certificates are put in envelopes by machinery and that it is much more economical to put one, and one only, in an envelope, than it is to put several in an envelope, even though they may all be going to the same person. The matter was fully and carefully considered, and it was decided that this was the most economic method of proceeding. The condition arises as a result of the use of machinery in placing them in the envelopes rather than doing it' by hand.

Topic:   WAR SAVINGS CERTIFICATES
Subtopic:   REPRESENTATIONS AS TO METHOD OF DISTRIBUTION BT MAIL
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WAR APPROPRIATION BILL

PROVISION FOR GRANTING TO HIS MAJESTY AID FOR NATIONAL DEFENCE AND SECURITY


The house resumed from Friday, March 21, consideration in committee of Bill No. 19, for granting to his majesty aid for national defence and security-Mr. Ilsley-Mr. Fournier (Hull) in the chair. On section 2-Appropriation.


LIB

Norman Alexander McLarty (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. McLARTY:

I regret very much that

I was not in the chamber on Friday afternoon when the hon. member for Waterloo South

TMr. Power.]

(Mr. Homuth) asked for an explanation of certain orders in council which had been passed by the government on the recommendation of the Minister of Labour. My absence was unavoidable because I had made an appointment to attend a meeting in Montreal in connection with some important labour problems.

I realize that the orders in council to which the hon. member referred are of extreme importance and I have been advised by quite a number of the hon. members of this committee that they are desirous of discussing them. When I arrived in Ottawa to-day I received my first intimation that matters which had to do exclusively with labour would be debated in this committee. I am not suggesting that there is anything improper about that, but these matters are so important from the standpoint of labour that perhaps the purposes of the committee would be better served-I have no intention of delaying the discussion-if they were discussed either on the labour estimates or on the supplementary estimates.

To divert this discussion, in connection with which the service ministers are being held here, to purely labour matters would probably not be a kindness to the committee, and certainly would not be a kindness to them. I know that many hon. members of the committee wish to discuss these matters, and it is only natural that they should. One of the orders in council, P.C. 7440, is most important and far-reaching. If it meets with the approval of the committee I would undertake to deal with this matter on the earliest possible occasion rather than to inject it into the debate at this time. I understand that this procedure meets with the wishes of those who urged that this matter be taken up. I wanted to give this undertaking to the committee.

Topic:   WAR APPROPRIATION BILL
Subtopic:   PROVISION FOR GRANTING TO HIS MAJESTY AID FOR NATIONAL DEFENCE AND SECURITY
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March 24, 1941