March 24, 1941

CCF

Angus MacInnis

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. MacINNIS:

Can the minister give us the number of these men, their nationality and the names of the ships they deserted?

Topic:   WAR APPROPRIATION BILL
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LIB

Thomas Alexander Crerar (Minister of Mines and Resources)

Liberal

Mr. CRERAR:

I cannot give that information now, but I could probably get a fairly accurate summary prepared.

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CCF

Clarence Gillis

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. GILLIS:

The sailors I spoke of did not desert their ships, but the ships were detained in Sydney harbour for some months. Perhaps they are still there. The 200 sailors were not detained but were moving about from place to place, living pretty much on the charity of anyone who would take them in.

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LIB

John James Kinley

Liberal

Mr. KINLEY:

Didn't they sell their fish in Sydney?

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CCF

Clarence Gillis

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. GILLIS:

I do not know. My connection with them was to try to secure relief for them, and I was wondering how that group of men was taken care of. Their ships were detained and they were prohibited from taking employment anywhere.

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NAT

James Arthur Ross

National Government

Mr. ROSS (Souris):

I should like to ask a question of the Minister of Trade and Commerce. The Ottawa Journal of March 17 last has an article headed "Teachers Offer to Take Census Free of Cost". It goes on to say:

The Canadian Federation of Teachers volunteered to take the census free of cost to the government, it was announced on Saturday by Miss Eleanor Anderson, president.

Miss Anderson was speaking at the annual meeting of the federation of women teachers for districts 12 and 13, in the Chateau Laurier. She said no reply to the offer of voluntary help had been received.

She thought most of the appointments had already been made and were likely to be political. Miss Anderson told the Journal that

25,000 teachers in Ontario alone were available for census work and would like to undertake it in June.

My question is, does the government consider it an essential part of the war effort to take the census at this time? And has the government refused the offer of the Canadian

Federation of Teachers, which would save the country approximately 83,000,000 at this time? We know that census commissioners have already been appointed on a patronage basis. Will the minister say on what basis the enumerators will be selected?

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LIB

James Lorimer Ilsley (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. ILSLEY:

Just before my colleague answers, I want to enter a protest, Mr. Chairman, against this discussion going any further than is necessary at this time. There is an item in the main estimates covering the census and the discussion on the census should take place on that item, not on this clause. If we get into a discussion on that subject now, there is nothing to prevent us from giving the rest of the week to it if some of the members continue the practice of the last few weeks. If my colleague desires to answer to oblige the hon. member, and then the matter is let go at that, I have no objection, but I certainly would object to the committee entering upon a discussion of the census under this clause.

Topic:   WAR APPROPRIATION BILL
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NAT

James Arthur Ross

National Government

Mr. ROSS (Souris):

That will be quite satisfactory to me. To take the census would cost a lot of money, and I thought, therefore, my question had a bearing when we are now voting this large sum for the war.

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Section agreed to. Section 3 agreed to. On section 4-Loans authorized.


NAT

Richard Burpee Hanson (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. HANSON (York-Sunbury):

The minister has not in any way divided the amounts which may be raised by loan and by taxation. I know this is the exact wording that was used in last year's bill, but I think some restriction should be placed on the total amount that can be borrowed and on the amount to be raised by taxation. The whole $1,300,000,000 could be borrowed under this clause. It is too wide, and I want to enter a formal protest against that kind of procedure.

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CCF

Major James William Coldwell

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. COLDWELL:

Before the clause

carries, I want to take this opportunity of doing something which was declared out of order when the resolution was before the house. ,

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LIB

James Lorimer Ilsley (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. ILSLEY:

Will the hon. gentleman do me the favour of giving me a few minutes before eleven o'clock to present supplementary estimates to the house?

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CCF

Major James William Coldwell

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. COLDWELL:

I shall be very glad to give way to the minister now because what I have to say would take until eleven o'clock.

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LIB

James Lorimer Ilsley (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. ILSLEY:

Thank you.

Section stands.

Progress reported.

Army Canteens

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FURTHER SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATES, 1940-41


A message from His Excellency the Governor General transmitting supplementary estimates for the financial year ending March 31, 1941, was presented by Hon. J. L. Ilsley (Minister of Finance), read by Mr. Speaker to the house, and referred to the committee of supply. On motion of Mr. Crerar, the house adjourned at 10.55 p.m. Tuesday, March 25, 1941.


March 24, 1941