March 24, 1941

NAT

Grote Stirling

National Government

Mr. STIRLING:

I should say the Minister of National Defence would describe to the house such change in the John Inglis company's contract that considerably increased any production which would be forthcoming from then on.

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LIB

James Layton Ralston (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. RALSTON:

The increase in production was, as I understand it, very largely an increase in production on account of British orders.

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NAT

Grote Stirling

National Government

Mr. STIRLING:

Under the new regime,

the new contract, from what the Minister of Munitions and Supply tells us there is a possibility of turning out tens of thousands of guns.

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LIB

James Layton Ralston (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. RALSTON:

Tens of thousands of guns in a long time. But I was dealing with the deliveries. I had given my hon. friend the number up to the end of September. This is what I say at page 149 of Hansard:

Regarding Bren guns, I have given my hon. friend the number up to the end of September. I am not giving the number delivered each week, but it is a figure which I must say is most satisfactory having regard to what was planned on when production started at the plant. These weekly deliveries are increasing steadily and by the end of the first year of production we expect to have three times as many guns delivered as were called for by the contract.

Is there anything in the world which calls upon me to tell the house that my colleague is negotiating a new contract with the John Inglis company in order to reduce the cost of them? The production which was being increased was with regard not only to the Bren gun, but to other items. The Browning machine gun was one which had not been previously manufactured there at all. I plead guilty to anything for which I am to blame, but I do not take the responsibility for this. I am sorry if my hon. friend feels I should.

With regard to the matter of equipment, I shall be pleased to have a statement prepared, if the matter may stand over.

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NAT

Richard Burpee Hanson (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. HANSON (York-Sunbury):

I do not wish to detain the committee at all, but it does seem to me there was a lack of frankness on the part of the administration with respect to the new set-up of the John Inglis company.

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LIB

James Layton Ralston (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. RALSTON:

I wish my hon. friend had brought up the matter when my colleague the Minister of Munitions and Supply was here, because he made the statement about it.

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NAT

Richard Burpee Hanson (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. HANSON (York-Sunbury):

I know he did. He told the house how it came out, first of all by an error on the part of his secretary, which I think was not quite cricket, and, second, through the inquisitiveness, if I may so describe it, of a newspaper. I do not think the country feels the government was quite candid with respect to this whole Bren gun situation. The new contract was made while the house was still in session, and we were not apprised of what was going on. I do not think that was candid. I am not, however, going to stir up that old sore now. It is not worth while.

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LIB

James Layton Ralston (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. RALSTON:

I must take issue with my hon. friend about the matter of frankness.

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NAT

Richard Burpee Hanson (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. HANSON (York-Sunbury):

I find the Minister of National Defence never admits anything, and the Minister of National Defence for Air is much more candid. He tells us his difficulties, and we forgive him.

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LIB

James Layton Ralston (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. RALSTON:

Yes, yes.

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Richard Burpee Hanson (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. HANSON (York-Sunbury):

And he gets away with it.

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James Layton Ralston (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. RALSTON:

But at the same time, I do not propose to plead guilty to this.

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Richard Burpee Hanson (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. HANSON (York-Sunbury):

All right.

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CON

Agar Rodney Adamson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. ADAMSON:

With respect to the training of specialists and tradesmen in the vocational schools, what steps are taken? I understand the vocational school in Toronto is now being used by the army. I do not believe that was brought out in the minister's statement.

I believe that in the long run he would find it in the interests of economy to get the railways to cooperate in some way in connection with the matter of troops going on leave. A great many suggestions have been made, and it is my belief that over a period of years the government would find it an economy.

One further point. Fire underwriters have said that the fire protection at Camp Borden is a model for all other military camps in Canada. I suggest that hon. members having camps in their districts should see the methods by which the huts at Camp Borden are protected from fire. There is a stand pipe in each hut, and a permanent hose connection. The underwriters' association have reported favourably on that method of fire protection.

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LIB

James Layton Ralston (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. RALSTON:

I understand my hon.

friend is referring to the trades school being set up in Hamilton.

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CON

Agar Rodney Adamson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. ADAMSON:

And in Toronto.

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James Layton Ralston (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. RALSTON:

We are providing for the training of about 2,000 men. There will be a normal three months' course, and for certain trades that course will be lengthened, depending upon the degree of specialization required.

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CON

Agar Rodney Adamson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. ADAMSON:

For the ordnance corps.

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LIB

James Layton Ralston (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. RALSTON:

Yes, for the ordnance corps particularly, and for the army service corps.

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CON

Agar Rodney Adamson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. ADAMSON:

What are the methods of recruiting for that course?

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March 24, 1941