March 20, 1941


A message from His Excellency the Governor General transmitting supplementary estimates for the financial year ending March 31, 1942, was presented by Hon. J. L. Ilsley (Minister of Finance), read by Mr. Speaker to the house, and referred to the committee of supply.


BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE

NAT

Richard Burpee Hanson (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. HANSON (York-Sunbury):

What will be the business to-morrow?

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Thomas Alexander Crerar (Minister of Mines and Resources)

Liberal

Mr. CRERAR:

The second reading of the war appropriation bill.

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James Lorimer Ilsley (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. ILSLEY:

I understood that it was

considered desirable to have the wheat matter dealt with and that to-morrow we should go on with the estimates which I have just now moved to be referred to the committee of supply.

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LIB

Thomas Alexander Crerar (Minister of Mines and Resources)

Liberal

Mr. CRERAR:

My understanding was

that the Prime Minister desired to have the second reading of the war appropriation bill taken so that the bill might get over to the senate. Several weeks have been spent in discussing the resolution stage.

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NAT

Richard Burpee Hanson (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. HANSON (York-Sunbury):

That will be the business to-morrow?

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LIB

Thomas Alexander Crerar (Minister of Mines and Resources)

Liberal

Mr. CRERAR:

In view of the long discussion there has been of the resolution, I venture to hope that the house will pass the second reading of the bill so that it can be sent over to the senate, and after we have disposed of that, we might take up the legislation to which the Minister of Finance has just referred. I think the house should be prepared to take anything on the order paper, which contains some measures that are not of great importance.

Business of the House

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Richard Burpee Hanson (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. HANSON (York-Sunbury):

Before we adjourn to-night, can we have an understanding as to what the plan of the government is for proceeding with this whole wheat problem? I understand that the supplementary estimate brought down to-night is to take care of the proposed bonus, but that is only a very small portion of the whole question, and it seems to me that it should not be taken up piecemeal. Of course, I know the government can do what it likes.

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LIB

James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of National War Services; Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

The supplementary

estimate is to provide for payments on reductions of wheat acreages under conditions prescribed by the governor in council, for administration expenses in connection therewith, and for temporary appointments that may be required notwithstanding anything contained in the Civil Service Act. When that estimate is up for discussion, the whole programme in connection with the making of payments on account of taking acreage out of wheat will be open for discussion, and that is the main part.

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Major James William Coldwell

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. COLDWELL:

Do we understand that there is to be no legislation on the wheat acreage reduction plan, but merely an estimate, and that all the regulations regarding payments will be made by the governor in council? It seems to me that this very important matter should be the subject of legislation, so that the house will have before it in black and white the actual proposals of the government in relation to this great problem.

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NAT

Richard Burpee Hanson (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. HANSON (York-Sunbury):

Hear, hear. Anything else will not be satisfactory.

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CCF

Thomas Clement (Tommy) Douglas

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. DOUGLAS (Weyburn):

Absolutely

not.

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James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of National War Services; Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. GARDINER:

There are ways in

which the regulations themselves can be brought before the house and discussed. I would suggest that to follow the course now proposed would in all probability result in there being nothing done this year, if we are going to follow the usual process.

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CCF

Major James William Coldwell

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. COLDWELL:

I think there can be some cooperation in this matter, but certainly the house should have definitely before it the proposals of the government.

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NAT

Richard Burpee Hanson (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. HANSON (York-Sunbury):

If you

want to get it through, bring down something definite.

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James Lorimer Ilsley (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. ILSLEY:

My hon. friend is very fond of making just that kind of remark. He has made it on several occasions.

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Richard Burpee Hanson (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. HANSON (York-Sunbury):

I am

giving a friendly warning.

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James Lorimer Ilsley (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. ILSLEY:

It is not a friendly warning. It is a threat to obstruct if we do not proceed in a certain way.

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Richard Burpee Hanson (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. HANSON (York-Sunbury):

You can interpret it any way you like. The method of procedure which the minister proposes shows the intention to legislate by order in council, and the country will not like it. I do not like it and no other member likes it. Members supporting the government will not like it; the members from Ontario will not like it.

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March 20, 1941