March 19, 1941

CCF

Clarence Gillis

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. GILLIS:

Yes. I understand these men were replaced by girls, and, in some instances, girls who had no obligations. Those men who went off their jobs in Hamilton were relegated to the ranks of the unemployed, and in future will Bp recipients of relief. The

services of women should not be utilized in that way, and I protest against it. When, however, the employment of women is necessary so as to relieve men to perform more important work, that is all right.

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LIB

Colin William George Gibson (Minister of National Revenue)

Liberal

Mr. GIBSON:

My hon. friend is going rather far when he says those men were relegated to the ranks of the unemployed. They were employed with the National Steel Car corporation. There are, however, other industries in Hamilton looking for men to-day. In the meantime the majority of those men will have found employment in other industries busily engaged in that city.

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CCF

Clarence Gillis

Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (C.C.F.)

Mr. GILLIS:

I know at least one man who told me he was unemployed for twelve weeks; that he had not had a day's work in that time, and that when he did get employment, it was through the efforts of the men themselves. The men were working full time, seven days a week, and they made an arrangement among themselves so that the men in turn would take a shift off one night to give this young man an opportunity to work. That lasted only a short time. I understand that he is now receiving work as a temporary watchman, but he was unemployed for twelve weeks and he told me that there were others in the same position.

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Subtopic:   WAR APPROPRIATION RILL
Sub-subtopic:   PROVISION FOR GRANTING TO HIS MAJESTY AID FOR NATIONAL DEFENCE AND SECURITY
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NAT

Richard Burpee Hanson (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. HANSON (York-Sunbury):

Would the Minister of Labour tell us what is the exact jurisdictional position with respect to this inspectional service employed under the joint board of which we have heard here, having regard to the policy laid down by the government with regard to labour, hours of labour, wages and so forth in Canada? In other words, are they without the pale of the jurisdiction of the Department of Labour, on their own, so to speak; or has an effort been made to have the British government conform to Canadian standards in that respect? What is the position, so that we may have it concretely before us?

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Subtopic:   WAR APPROPRIATION RILL
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LIB

Norman Alexander McLarty (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. McLARTY:

I would answer that,

generally speaking, the jurisdiction of the government of Canada over labour is limited by the decisions of the judicial committee of the privy council in 1924, I think it was, in the case of the Toronto Electric Commissioners-

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Subtopic:   WAR APPROPRIATION RILL
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NAT

Richard Burpee Hanson (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. HANSON (York-Sunbury):

Where the Lemieux act was declared ultra vires?

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LIB

Norman Alexander McLarty (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. McLARTY:

Quite so.

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NAT

Richard Burpee Hanson (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. HANSON (York-Sunbury):

But we are at war, and we are governed now by the War Measures Act.

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LIB

Norman Alexander McLarty (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. McLARTY:

I would say in answer to my hon. friend's definite question that the

War Appropriation Bill

government of Canada has definite jurisdiction, whether it is a war industry under the control of the Canadian government or one that has orders from the British government. In other words, I would say that we have complete control in the matter of jurisdiction in connection with all war industries.

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NAT

Richard Burpee Hanson (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. HANSON (York-Sunbury):

And in connection with the inspectional services of the joint board?

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LIB

Norman Alexander McLarty (Minister of Labour)

Liberal

Mr. McLARTY:

I would say that that follows naturally.

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NAT

Richard Burpee Hanson (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. HANSON (York-Sunbury):

Yes, I would think so.

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LIB

James Layton Ralston (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. RALSTON:

My hon. friend will understand that most of the employees handed over to the board were civil servants or officers already employed by the government.

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SC

John Horne Blackmore

Social Credit

Mr. BLACKMORE:

The simple fact that impresses itself upon me as a result of this discussion is this: that Canada is not short of labour. Canada has a surplus of labour, and Canada has a surplus of raw materials or resources. Canada can therefore increase her production of practically any commodity of which she desires to increase production. This means that all we have been listening to for six months now from this government about a threatened shortage of labour was just a little bit beside the point.

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Subtopic:   WAR APPROPRIATION RILL
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LIB

Colin William George Gibson (Minister of National Revenue)

Liberal

Mr. GIBSON:

If my hon. friend would go to Hamilton and see the new industries, the big plants that are being put up, he would realize that when they are completed shortly, any surplus of labour that appears to be there at the present time will be completely absorbed and there will, in addition, be a demand for outside labour to come in.

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SC

John Horne Blackmore

Social Credit

Mr. BLACKMORE:

The point that

impresses me is this. Here are great numbers of women from one end of this country to the other, and in many cities of Canada there are thousands of men looking for work. There must be tens of thousands of people who have never registered as being unemployed, but who would be willing and able and glad to work if they could get the chance to work. At the present time, however, so far as I can gather-and I wish to be perfectly fair to the government-the government does not seem to have any proper, coordinated method, any definite, effective way of getting the people who wish to work in contact with the jobs that need to be done.

Progress reported.

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At six o'clock the house adjourned, without question put, pursuant to standing order. Thursday, March 20, 1941.


March 19, 1941