That is the point. The leader of the opposition says, "Did he get a commission on this?" Definitely, that is not the sort of thing I am suggesting; but this particular engineer, who jumped, immediately to the use of a certain kind of equipment, had been selling that equipment for years. He tried to persuade us in Winnipeg to keep that equipment in one of the hospitals, but they switched to lignite equipment and the result of switching to that equipment was apparently twofold. In the first place, our bills dropped from $38,000 a year to about $16,000 or $17,000. When the bills were high in the first part of that period when we had his equipment and had to bum the other kind of coal, we did not have the hospital fully open; but at a later time, after we refused this engineer, our bills were around $16,000 and the hospital was fully open, more space being heated at less cost. That is the expert who to a very large extent has made this decision He told me so.
Subtopic: PROVISION FOR GRANTING TO HIS MAJESTY AID FOR NATIONAL DEFENCE AND SECURITY