December 6, 1940

TRADE AGREEMENTS

STATEMENT AS TO TABLING OF AGREEMENTS WITH BRITISH GOVERNMENT RESPECTING BACON

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James Garfield Gardiner (Minister of National War Services; Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Hon. J. G. GARDINER (Minister of Agriculture):

Mr. Speaker, may I say to the leader of the opposition (Mr. Hanson) and the hon. member for Qu'Appelle (Mr. Perley) that, if I may be permitted to do so later in

these proceedings, I shall lay on the table the agreement in connection with bacon and a memorandum in regard to it.

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Richard Burpee Hanson (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. HANSON (York-Sunbury):

Will copies be immediately available?

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ST. LAWRENCE WATERWAY MESSAGE OF PRESIDENT ROOSEVELT TO SEAWAY AND POWER CONFERENCE-ENGINEERING PROBLEMS IN INTERNATIONAL SECTION


On the orders of the day:


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Arza Clair Casselman (Chief Opposition Whip; Whip of the Progressive Conservative Party; Whip of the Conservative Party (1867-1942))

National Government

Mr. A. C. CASSELMAN (Grenville-Dundas):

Mr. Speaker, before the orders of the day are called I should like to ask a question of the Prime Minister (Mr. Mackenzie King). In view of President Roosevelt's message to the Great Lakes seaway and power conference yesterday, in which he is reported to have emphasized, among other things, " that the St. Lawrence project would provide millions in new horsepower urgently needed to speed up defence production," will the Prime Minister make a statement outlining in general terms the progress that has been made from the Canadian standpoint with respect to the scheme advocated by the Canadian representatives on the joint board as between (a) a singlestage development, (b) a double-stage development, (c) a controlled single-stage, or other scheme?

Will the Prime Minister also state what is the attitude of the government with respect to the seaway proposal, and whether opportunity will be given to those whose property will be adversely affected by the choice of scheme to present their views?

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William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Right Hon. W. L. MACKENZIE KING (Prime Minister):

Mr. Speaker, my hon. friend advised me of his intention to ask the question he has. I had anticipated that some question would be asked with respect to the important message which the President of the United States issued yesterday through Mr. Berle in connection with a great lakes seaway and power conference which is being held in Detroit. I have therefore come prepared to make a brief reply to my hon. friend.

The house has already been advised through the correspondence tabled on November 12 of the agreement reached between the government of Canada and the government of the United States, regarding additional diversion of water for power purposes at Niagara and the appointment of committees to carry on the necessary additional engineering investigations in the international rapids section of the St.

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Lawrence. The diversion has been made at Niagara and the power development is being utilized for Canadian industry. The committees appointed by the two governments have been actively at work in the study and analysis of the engineering problems in the international section.

As regards the wider questions involved in the Great Lakes-St. Lawrence development, it will be recalled that the Niagara convention of 1929 and the St. Lawrence treaty of 1932 failed to obtain the approval of the United States senate, and the negotiations were later resumed with a view to the possibility of combining the projects in a revised single agreement. Delegations of officials appointed by the two governments met in Ottawa and in Washington last January and the problems involved have continued to receive consideration by both governments. Those negotiations will be continued. Any agreement resulting from the negotiations will, of course, be submitted to this house for approval in due course. I have earlier indicated that any such agreement on this subject would not be brought before the Canadian parliament until it had received the approval of the appropriate United States authorities.

As I have already indicated, the committees appointed by the two governments are continuing their study of the engineering problems in the international section. They have not yet completed or reported upon their work, and no final decision has therefore been taken as to the details of the development in this section. The project under consideration, as I stated a few days ago, is a controlled single-stage development, which differs from either the single-stage development or the double-stage development that was under consideration some .ten years ago. On January 25 last the following statement as to the character of the project under discussion was issued after the conference of officials of the two governments:

The engineering advisers of the two governments have reached substantial agreement on the feasibility and desirability of a project in the international rapids section of the St. Lawrence river which would involve a main dam in the vicinity of Barnhart island, with a power house in each country, and a control dam upstream. This project is based upon a plan which was discussed in some detail in the 1926 report of the joint board of engineers. The engineers of the two countries are in agreement that such a project is sound from an engineering standpoint, cheaper in cost than the project on which the 1932 treaty was based, and affords full protection for all the interests in the various sections of the St. Lawrence river.

My hon. friend the member for Grenville-Dundas has inquired whether opportunity will be given to those whose property will be adversely affected by the choice of scheme, to present their views. Any scheme for development naturally affects some adjoining property. This was of course true of the project embodied in the treaty which was negotiated by the government of the Right Hon. R. B. Bennett in 1932. At the appropriate time the present government will be quite prepared to receive representations from those whose property will be adversely or, for that matter, beneficially affected.

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Arza Clair Casselman (Chief Opposition Whip; Whip of the Progressive Conservative Party; Whip of the Conservative Party (1867-1942))

National Government

Mr. CASSELMAN (Grenville-Dundas):

Did the Prime Minister make it clear that the agreement would first be submitted to the United States senate?

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William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

To the proper authorities in the United States, yes.

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Thomas Langton Church

National Government

Mr. CHURCH:

Will any agreement arrived at be reported to parliament before action is taken?

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Richard Burpee Hanson (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. HANSON (York-Sunbury):

Yes.

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William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

Parliament will have to approve of any agreement.

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Richard Burpee Hanson (Leader of the Official Opposition)

National Government

Mr. HANSON (York-Sunbury):

May I direct the attention of the Prime Minister to the fact that no reference was made in his statement to the seaway aspect of this matter. I understood up to yesterday that the question of navigation was in the discard, but according to the president's statement of yesterday the navigation aspect has been brought back to life.

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William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

It is impossible to separate the development of the seaway from the power project. The two are interlinked; the one affecting power and navigation necessarily affects the other. Our purpose in seeking agreement is to provide that all phases of the question may be considered at one and the same time.

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John Ritchie MacNicol

National Government

Mr. MacNICOL:

May I ask the Prime

Minister if this government has been notified by the United States of the recent order of the United States supreme court permitting Chicago to divert another 3,500 cubic feet per second for dilution purposes, increasing the dilution diversion to 5,000 cubic feet per second, the equivalent of the amount of water that will be poured later into lake Superior from northern Ontario? I should like to know also if this government has under consideration any means to control the level of the three centre great lakes. With another

5,000 cubic feet per second being diverted at

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Niagara, and this 5,000 cubic feet per second being diverted at Chicago, the lake levels are going down six inches.

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William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs; President of the Privy Council)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

About a fortnight ago I rather anticipated that my hon. friend would bring up this question and I had a full statement prepared in connection with the order the United States supreme court had made. I shall send him the statement, but speaking from memory at the moment I would say that the order was to provide means of meeting a rather serious immediate sewage problem in one of the United States cities. The order took cognizance of the problem. The statement of the court however helped to emphasize the permanency of the arrangement for controlling the level of the waters in the lakes, about which my hon. friend is concerned.

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BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE

PROCEDURE IN NOTICE OF AMENDMENTS TO RESOLUTIONS IN COMMITTEE OF WAYS AND MEANS


On the orders of the day:


December 6, 1940