August 6, 1940

NAT

Karl Kenneth Homuth

National Government

Mr. HOMUTH:

That was in the time of the Stuarts; this is 1940.

Topic:   PRISONERS OF WAR
Subtopic:   DEPARTMENT OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   $7,000.
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LIB

James Lorimer Ilsley (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. ILSLEY:

That was the very thing which gave rise to the demand by the English people that the tenure of judges must be during good behaviour, so as to put them beyond the reach of governments, and thereby make them independent of governments.

Topic:   PRISONERS OF WAR
Subtopic:   DEPARTMENT OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   $7,000.
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LIB

Joseph Jean

Liberal

The ACTING CHAIRMAN (Mr. Jean):

Does any other hon. member wish to speak on this item?

Topic:   PRISONERS OF WAR
Subtopic:   DEPARTMENT OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   $7,000.
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LIB

Gordon Timlin Purdy

Liberal

Mr. PURDY:

Yesterday I received a letter from the Post Office Department stating that they must close certain post offices because they could not carry them on any longer. Last week I received a similar letter, and the week before a similar letter. The week before that, because they wanted to save expenses, they were going to close a mail route which served a large number of people. A day or so after that, they were going to close lighthouses because they did not have the money to carry on. Surely, if the government has not the money to carry on services for the good of the people in the rural districts, it cannot have the money to give an annuity of $1,500 to this man.

Topic:   PRISONERS OF WAR
Subtopic:   DEPARTMENT OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   $7,000.
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LIB

James Lorimer Ilsley (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. ILSLEY:

Before the vote is taken, I wish to repeat that every hon. member will act on his own responsibility in the matter. He is free to vote exactly as he pleases, without any intimation from anyone as to what he should do.

Supply-Finance

Topic:   PRISONERS OF WAR
Subtopic:   DEPARTMENT OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   $7,000.
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LIB

Joseph Jean

Liberal

The ACTING CHAIRMAN (Mr. Jean):

It is resolved that a sum not exceeding $2,083.33 be granted to bis majesty for the purpose set out in the item. It is now moved in amendment by the hon. member for Victoria, Ontario, that the amount of SI,500, as annuity for the former auditor general, be reduced to one dollar.

The question is on the amendment. In my opinion the ayes have it, and the amendment is carried.

Topic:   PRISONERS OF WAR
Subtopic:   DEPARTMENT OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   $7,000.
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LIB

Thomas Vien (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. VIEN:

Count the votes.

Topic:   PRISONERS OF WAR
Subtopic:   DEPARTMENT OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   $7,000.
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LIB

Joseph Jean

Liberal

The ACTING CHAIRMAN (Mr. Jean):

Those in favour of the amendment will please rise.

Topic:   PRISONERS OF WAR
Subtopic:   DEPARTMENT OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   $7,000.
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LIB

Thomas Bruce McNevin

Liberal

Mr. McNEVIN:

This has been settled. The Chairman has given the results. The matter was settled, and the decision announced.

Topic:   PRISONERS OF WAR
Subtopic:   DEPARTMENT OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   $7,000.
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LIB

Joseph Jean

Liberal

The ACTING CHAIRMAN (Mr. Jean):

But an hon. member has asked for a standing vote.

Topic:   PRISONERS OF WAR
Subtopic:   DEPARTMENT OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   $7,000.
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NAT

Grote Stirling

National Government

Mr. STIRLING:

Too long after the

announcement was made.

Topic:   PRISONERS OF WAR
Subtopic:   DEPARTMENT OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   $7,000.
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LIB

Thomas Vien (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. VIEN:

I am asking for a standing vote.

Topic:   PRISONERS OF WAR
Subtopic:   DEPARTMENT OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   $7,000.
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LIB

Thomas Bruce McNevin

Liberal

Mr. McNEVIN:

I would point out that when a vote is demanded, five members must rise in their places. In this instance they did not rise.

Topic:   PRISONERS OF WAR
Subtopic:   DEPARTMENT OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   $7,000.
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LIB

Thomas Vien (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. VIEN:

No, that is not the rule in committee. In committee the vote is taken by a standing vote. And I am asking that this Vote be taken by a standing vote.

Topic:   PRISONERS OF WAR
Subtopic:   DEPARTMENT OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   $7,000.
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NAT

Karl Kenneth Homuth

National Government

Mr. HOMUTH:

It seems to me that the decisions in committee depend entirely upon whether or not the chairman of committees is in the chair or whether he is sitting as a private member of the house.

Topic:   PRISONERS OF WAR
Subtopic:   DEPARTMENT OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   $7,000.
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LIB

Thomas Vien (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. VIEN:

When the chairman of committees says, "In my opinion the ayes have it", any member of the committee may ask for a standing vote. I am asking for that standing vote.

Topic:   PRISONERS OF WAR
Subtopic:   DEPARTMENT OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   $7,000.
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NAT

Karl Kenneth Homuth

National Government

Mr. HOMUTH:

And you will get it.

Topic:   PRISONERS OF WAR
Subtopic:   DEPARTMENT OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   $7,000.
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NAT

Grote Stirling

National Government

Mr. STIRLING:

What is before the chair?

Topic:   PRISONERS OF WAR
Subtopic:   DEPARTMENT OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   $7,000.
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LIB

Thomas Vien (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Liberal

Mr. VIEN:

Those in favour will stand.

Topic:   PRISONERS OF WAR
Subtopic:   DEPARTMENT OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   $7,000.
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NAT

Karl Kenneth Homuth

National Government

Mr. HOMUTH:

Who is running the committee, anyway?

Topic:   PRISONERS OF WAR
Subtopic:   DEPARTMENT OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS
Sub-subtopic:   $7,000.
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August 6, 1940