August 5, 1940

LIB

Joseph Enoil Michaud (Minister of Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. MICHAUD:

I shall be glad to bring it to the attention of the provincial authorities, in whose hands would lie the power to deal with conditions there.

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NAT

Douglas Gooderham Ross

National Government

Mr. ROSS (St. Paul's):

The Department of Fisheries makes the regulations as to open seasons and so on?

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LIB

Joseph Enoil Michaud (Minister of Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. MICHAUD:

Yes, on the recommendation of the provincial authorities, for inland waters.

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SC

Ernest George Hansell

Social Credit

Mr. HANSELL:

How much is appropriated for fish hatcheries in Banff national park?

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LIB

Joseph Enoil Michaud (Minister of Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. MICHAUD:

This department has no jurisdiction over national parks. That comes under the Department of Mines and Resources.

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Item agreed to. SC. To provide for Canadian share of expenses of the international fisheries commission under treaty dated May 26th, 1930, between Canada and the United States for the protection, preservation and extension of the sockeye salmon fisheries of the Fraser river system, $40,000.


NAT

Howard Charles Green

National Government

Mr. GREEN:

Would the minister explain to what stage the work of this commission has developed? Perhaps he would explain also the reason for the small increase in the vote.

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LIB

Joseph Enoil Michaud (Minister of Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. MICHAUD:

The reason for the small increase in the vote is that early in the year when these estimates were prepared representations were made by the United States section of the commission that they had increased their appropriation in order to carry on more extensive work, therefore it was necessary to increase our part. I am happy to say, however, that since then I have received information that the United States members have changed their view and have not increased their appropriation; therefore we shall not expend any more than the United States section will.

As to the first part of the question, I think I can do no better than ask the hon. member for New Westminster (Mr. Reid) to give the answer, since he is an active member of the commission.

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LIB

Thomas Reid

Liberal

Mr. REID:

At the present time the commission is not in a position to state its findings. It has been paying a great deal of attention to ascertaining the various species of fish comprised in the sockeye group. It has also done considerable tagging of fish. Last year some 10,000 sockeye salmon were tagged. Many of the fish had to be bought and great numbers were tagged. A reward of 50 cents each is given by the commission for the return of these tags. The returns in connection with these tags have amounted to something like 40 or 50 per cent, and much valuable information has been obtained. This year an effort has been made to study the situation at Hell's Gate, where the disaster occurred in 1913. It is the view of the commissioner in charge that great numbers of fish are prevented from passing over Hell's Gate at certain seasons of the year, due to low or high water, and engineers have been instructed to particularly study the situation at that point. Tagging operations are taking place in the open, in the gulf of Georgia and at various points on the Fraser river. Weirs have been constructed in various rivers to discover the number of

fish that go up. All in all it will take a good deal of time before the complete information is obtained, and the commission is not prepared to make a statement until it can vouch for the facts.

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NAT

Howard Charles Green

National Government

Mr. GREEN:

When will the commission actually take charge of salmon fishing on the

coast?

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LIB

Thomas Reid

Liberal

Mr. REID:

In 1937 the treaty between the United States and Canada came into effect. In that treaty a proviso was inserted, at the instigation of United States interests, under which the commission would not have full jurisdiction until two cycles had been completed, a cycle amounting to four years. So that the commission will not have complete jurisdiction over the catch of fish until 1944 or the beginning of 1945.

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Item agreed to. 87. To provide for the Canadian share of expenses of a board of inquiry for the great lakes fisheries appointed under an agreement by an exchange of notes on February 29th, 1940, between Canada and the United States, $3,000.


NAT

John Ritchie MacNicol

National Government

Mr. MacNICOL:

The minister might just explain the background of this vote.

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LIB

Joseph Enoil Michaud (Minister of Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. MICHAUD:

On February 29, 1940, by an exchange of notes signed by the secretary of state of the United States and the Canadian minister at Washington, it was agreed that a board of inquiry for the great lakes fisheries should be established. The problem of the conservation of the fisheries of the great lakes had long engaged the attention of the governments of Canada, the United States, the province of Ontario and the states bordering on the great lakes. The production of certain species of great lakes fish had reached very low levels. Representations were made by fishing interests both in Ontario and in the United States to their respective governments with the view of finding some means of conserving certain species which have good market values and which were fast disappearing. After several years of consultation between the various governments it was felt that the best way would be to appoint people who knew something about and were vitally interested in the matter to look into the question jointly and make suggestions as to the best possible means to cope with this situation. Last winter we were enabled to come to some agreement, and each country is providing $3,000 for the present year to carry on this investigation. We have appointed to the board Doctor Huntsman, a member of the fisheries research board of Canada and Mr. D. J. Taylor, deputy minister of game and fisheries for Ontario. The United States have appointed two gentlemen, Mr. Gallagher

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of Chicago, a director of the fisheries council of the United States, and Mr. John A. VanOosten of Ann Arbor, Michigan, who has been very much interested in the great lakes fisheries for several years past.

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CON
LIB

Joseph Enoil Michaud (Minister of Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. MICHAUD:

No, the investigations were just begun last winter.

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CON

Agar Rodney Adamson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. ADAMSON:

Could the minister say what types of great lakes fish are becoming scarce?

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LIB

Item agreed to. 88. To provide for transportation, dressing and dyeing, and other expenses incidental to receiving and disposing of fur seal skins accruing to Canada pursuant to the Pelagic sealing treaty, 1911, $135,000.


NAT

August 5, 1940