Item agreed to.
SC. To provide for Canadian share of expenses of the international fisheries commission under treaty dated May 26th, 1930, between Canada and the United States for the protection, preservation and extension of the sockeye salmon fisheries of the Fraser river system, $40,000.
The reason for the small increase in the vote is that early in the year when these estimates were prepared representations were made by the United States section of the commission that they had increased their appropriation in order to carry on more extensive work, therefore it was necessary to increase our part. I am happy to say, however, that since then I have received information that the United States members have changed their view and have not increased their appropriation; therefore we shall not expend any more than the United States section will.
As to the first part of the question, I think I can do no better than ask the hon. member for New Westminster (Mr. Reid) to give the answer, since he is an active member of the commission.
At the present time the commission is not in a position to state its findings. It has been paying a great deal of attention to ascertaining the various species of fish comprised in the sockeye group. It has also done considerable tagging of fish. Last year some 10,000 sockeye salmon were tagged. Many of the fish had to be bought and great numbers were tagged. A reward of 50 cents each is given by the commission for the return of these tags. The returns in connection with these tags have amounted to something like 40 or 50 per cent, and much valuable information has been obtained. This year an effort has been made to study the situation at Hell's Gate, where the disaster occurred in 1913. It is the view of the commissioner in charge that great numbers of fish are prevented from passing over Hell's Gate at certain seasons of the year, due to low or high water, and engineers have been instructed to particularly study the situation at that point. Tagging operations are taking place in the open, in the gulf of Georgia and at various points on the Fraser river. Weirs have been constructed in various rivers to discover the number of
fish that go up. All in all it will take a good deal of time before the complete information is obtained, and the commission is not prepared to make a statement until it can vouch for the facts.
In 1937 the treaty between the United States and Canada came into effect. In that treaty a proviso was inserted, at the instigation of United States interests, under which the commission would not have full jurisdiction until two cycles had been completed, a cycle amounting to four years. So that the commission will not have complete jurisdiction over the catch of fish until 1944 or the beginning of 1945.
Item agreed to.
87. To provide for the Canadian share of expenses of a board of inquiry for the great lakes fisheries appointed under an agreement by an exchange of notes on February 29th, 1940, between Canada and the United States, $3,000.
On February 29, 1940, by an exchange of notes signed by the secretary of state of the United States and the Canadian minister at Washington, it was agreed that a board of inquiry for the great lakes fisheries should be established. The problem of the conservation of the fisheries of the great lakes had long engaged the attention of the governments of Canada, the United States, the province of Ontario and the states bordering on the great lakes. The production of certain species of great lakes fish had reached very low levels. Representations were made by fishing interests both in Ontario and in the United States to their respective governments with the view of finding some means of conserving certain species which have good market values and which were fast disappearing. After several years of consultation between the various governments it was felt that the best way would be to appoint people who knew something about and were vitally interested in the matter to look into the question jointly and make suggestions as to the best possible means to cope with this situation. Last winter we were enabled to come to some agreement, and each country is providing $3,000 for the present year to carry on this investigation. We have appointed to the board Doctor Huntsman, a member of the fisheries research board of Canada and Mr. D. J. Taylor, deputy minister of game and fisheries for Ontario. The United States have appointed two gentlemen, Mr. Gallagher
of Chicago, a director of the fisheries council of the United States, and Mr. John A. VanOosten of Ann Arbor, Michigan, who has been very much interested in the great lakes fisheries for several years past.
Item agreed to.
88. To provide for transportation, dressing and dyeing, and other expenses incidental to receiving and disposing of fur seal skins accruing to Canada pursuant to the Pelagic sealing treaty, 1911, $135,000.